What! The Pope was right after all?


I have been having a conversation with a fellow believer on line about our salvation.  Of course I contend we have a hope of salvation and are still to be recipients of it when Christ returns.  He advocates that once a person believes, they become saved.  Meaning saved, being saved and being saved from the wrath of God.  He explains there is nothing to be done under heaven that can make that person unsaved, such as all good Calvinist would say.  This of course is no surprise.

What shocked and confounded me was the capitulation of a reformist to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.  I was told that if I wanted to know the true meaning of the words that were in question, that I had to study the ancient languages.  I was encouraged to study the works of theologians who had a firm grasp of the languages and doctrines of scripture.

So here it goes:

Cry out loud oh Tyndale from your gave!  Convulse with much sorrow oh Wycliffe from your resting spot!  Stir in anguish of soul oh Luther from the place of which you were laid!  For your dreams are dead,  Behold the reformer of today instruct the common man of his error at taking scripture at face value.  The reformer had taken thy dream, of the Bible in the common languages of man, so a man may know and study God’s word for himself, and has now declared we can not know what was meant unless we study the ancient languages. 

Just as the Catholic Church declared to those reformists, no man can understand God’s word outside of the original languages and without the instruction of learned scholars to explain doctrine.  So the reformist of today now study the ancient languages and give insight to what apparently is not on the page in front of our faces, saying if one wants to really know what God’s word says, he must not rely on what is written in his Bible.  He must study the doctrine of other men that know ancient languages. 

We the reformist have changed one Pope for a new Pope.  We have changed one master for another.  Once again the common man is told he can not possible be correct in his doctrine, unless it is agrees with those learned men of theology who can explain a better way not found in the plain text.

Tyndale, you have failed.  Wycliffe you have failed.  Luther you have failed.  Because the admission of the reformist is, the real meaning is lost in our most accurate modern translations. 

You have heard it said:

(1 John 2:27 NIV)  As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him.

But we say:

Truly no man can know God unless another man teaches him.

3 thoughts on “What! The Pope was right after all?

  1. This is a mere caricature of the real issue Dave! I am myself, both Catholic & Reformed as an Anglican. You must read the history and texts of the Book of Common Prayer, and the Anglican Thirty-nine Articles. And I value the Anglican (also Methodist) John Wesley.

  2. Thank you for your comment.
    irishanglican,
    Don’t you see the irony of it? Our reformist fathers fought and died for the common man to read the Bible in his own language, so we would not have to go to a man who understood the ancient tongue or be force fed their doctrine. Now history is put on its head, when the reformist say, one can not accurately know what the writer intended, unless he either studies the ancient languages or studies the doctrine of one who does.
    No irony here?

  3. Dave,
    I am not sure where there is any irony? Who are you really arguing with, it should not be me? I seek to take both the Scripture as the Revelation of God, and certain church history as somewhat incarnational. I would suggest that you read the Anglican Article XVII, Of Predestination and Election. It is very biblical and theological to my mind.

    I also count myself a “Churchman”, but again only “In Christ”. I will not wave my theological education however. I state and argue from both Holy Scripture, and solid history. St. Paul was himself educated in the Jewish rabbinic school of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3), and was certainly a Jewish Hellenist. And by todays standard he was no mere “layman”, but certainly a “chosen” vessel for the Gospel of God, (Acts 9:15 / Rom. 1:1). And so it is with any ‘Man of God’, he must be chosen & called to preach and teach, and “He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught..etc.” (Titus 1:9)

    And the “reformist fathers” were also men of their time and education. So I am not sure what you are fighting against? Their were martyrs on both sides by the way (in England there were many papists killed, about 315.) Like the Jesuit scholar Edmund Campion, for one. So it is a sad history often on both sides.

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