I am an honest liar, honestly

I had been taught in church that because of Christ, our sins have been forgiven.  The wrath of God has been averted.  The coast was clear.  Because I had accepted Christ and called Him Lord, all my sins past present and future had been forgiven.  In fact, I hear those who defend this position even now, but this is no surprise.

I have asked for the scripture that says all of our sins past, present and future have been forgiven, but all I have gotten was excuses why they couldn’t find it.  So I asked them to get it from the one who told them this was true.  After all they are teaching this truth and I would like to see the scripture that lets all believers know, that all the sins they have and will commit are now forgiven.  But all I get is more excuses on why I haven’t been led to the scripture, that frees all believers forever from the penalty of all their sins past, present and future.

Many who hold the view that all our sins past, present and future are forgiven in Christ, will agree with me this statement is true.

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:[1]

But through the lens of their teachers and not through the lens of The Gospel According to the Gospel, they will imply this grace is for all their sins past, present and future.  But what if scripture said this grace was given to us for sins past?  What if scripture were to teach we are forgiven for our past ignorance of God and our disobedience to Him?

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;[2]

Oh, I guess it does teach that!  And this forgiveness of sins past, is through faith in His blood. 

With our promise of sins past forgiven, we have an absolute need to not live in disobedience any longer.

The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.  But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:  Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.[3]

This being the case, what is the unintended fruit of the doctrine of men that teaches a believer, “All your sins past, present and future are forgiven?”  The unintended fruit is a people who do not show the diligence they had at first to the very end to make their hope of salvation sure.

We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.  We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.[4]

With great passion and sincere interest forgiveness is sought for salvation and God does grant this forgiveness, while we wait for our salvation, through our faith in the blood of Christ.  But over time the purity of our hearts is tainted and sometimes reckless with sin, and this from those who say they are “in Him.”

The evidence of this is the close similarity of the church to the world.  We have in our hearts and in some cases our actions, the same sins of the world.  Do we not have the same divorce rate in the church as in the world?  Do we not have a problem getting saints to live like saints?  Is not much of the churches teen ministries’ efforts to helping teens stay out of sin?  Now I admit there are those who are shinning beacons of what a young saint should be.  But at the same time how many believers are on the edge, with feet on both sides of the fence?

The unintended consequences of this doctrine birthed in me not a serene piece of God’s forgiveness, but rebellion.  I would remind God, when I sinned, intentionally or not, that He had to forgive me, Christ made it so He had to.  I believed that Jesus tied the hands of God so that even in my rebellion to His commands, He had to forgive me because of Christ and I believed in Christ.  I believed the doctrine of man that teaches I am forgiven of all my sins past, present and future because I believe in Christ.

What I confidently threw in the face of God was only a lie and I was a liar because I claimed to know God but did not keep His commands.  And as a liar I no longer remained in Him.  I was good as lost in my continuing state of rebellion and sin.  Yet I was an honest liar, because I believed the teaching of the church.

If you find yourself and honest liar like I was, now is the time to repent for your sins past and lie no longer.  Obey the commands of Christ and quit living in sin while you claim to be in Him.  Quit believing the lie you are covered by the blood of Christ, past, present and future.  If you are presently carnal or lukewarm you are a liar.  If you are making no plans to change your state of carnality or temperature then your future is that of a liar.  If this is your present course and you have no intention of setting a new course and you have now heard The Gospel According to the Gospel, you are no longer an honest liar, you are simply a liar.

[1] Romans 3:24

[2] Romans 3:25

[3] 1 John 2:4-6

[4] Hebrews 6:11-12

3 thoughts on “I am an honest liar, honestly

  1. Dave,

    I am sorry to say this, but your logic in your arguments are flawed! Your arguments are not always met, nor understood, and especially to the biblical texts. My point in “theology”, i.e. the need of such. You badly need some theological understanding! If you are Arminian? Fine, but at least argue in that fashion. And there are many NT texts that give us the fulness of our personal salvation, see (1 John 4: 15-18). Also Romans 5: 6-11. And finally, 2 Cor. 5: 17, “Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature (or creation); the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.”

    Also, I think you confuse the great “assurance” of salvation, with the aspect of salvation ended, or complete. Again there are many scriptures that bring together the whole, like Rom. 8: 28-30, etc.

    It just seems that you have some polemical and just disputant ideas, that you cannot quite make plain at times?

    Anyway just my observations, and you must always expand or explain a text in use, etc.

  2. I doubt you actually reminded God he ‘had to forgive you’. It is much more likely the spirit in your flesh is hoping to use the mind of your readers as a doll to work through the emotions of hurting your version of God’s feelings and thus feel bad for not believing whatever it is you are deceived is truth and a bit of role playing is how you hope to accomplish that.

    As for the sins that need that actually need forgiving: they do not include hurting someone’s feelings or taking from them a false emotional rubric ( by crushing it in their plain sight ) that a demon had enslaved them with. Sins, despite the dreams of arminians, cannot be made up by man. But if you think they can, you must be a very busy person asking God for forgiveness for all the imagined slights those around you think –or MAY think– you have inflicted on them. And if you don’t –according to your logic, you need to ask forgiveness for that too. You must be pretty buff by now in pride, running on that treadmill of false forgiveness and never being able to catch up for a self-willed rest…

    Nice picture. You are in fact, lying.

    John 14:25-27 These things I have said to you, abiding with you; but the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, *he* shall teach you all things, and will bring to your remembrance all the things which I have said to you. I leave peace with you; I give *my* peace to you: not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it fear.


    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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