Let’s make a deal on door #3!


 

There was an old TV show where contestants were given choices as to what their prize would be.  The most famous was what lies behind door number one, door number two or door number three.  Only one door had a prize worth having.  The host Monte Hall would give the contestants an out with a small bribe of cash.  The poor soul had to take the small amount of cash or take a chance on picking the wrong door and really get next to nothing because they guessed wrong.  But if they guessed right they would get the prize they sought.

Calvinism door #1 and Arminianism door #2

When it comes to doctrines we have basically two doors to choose from.  One door is Calvinism and the other door is Arminianism.  And of course the devil would bribe us to choose no door at all and give us temporal pleasures that will have no lasting value.

Everyone reading this, I assume, has rejected the quick cash, the rewards of this world for either door.

But what door do we choose?  Do we choose door number one or number two?  We have two choices before us and these two choices seem to be at conflict with each other.  It is great that the theologians have made their decisions based on rationalization of implications of what scripture says.  Each doctrine completely discounts the doctrine of the other as a heresy, but to the common man who reads his scriptures we can see grounds for both doctrines.

Calvinist refuse all warnings in scripture about falling away as warnings to believers, since they are eternally saved.  Anyone really saved can not fall away no matter their current spiritual condition, they would argue.  For the common man reading his bible, he doesn’t convince himself of this truth, until he is well exercised in the mental calisthenics that convinces him of this truth.

Arminianism on the other hand says a man can loose his salvation.  The common man reading his bible sees and accepts the warnings to believers not to backslide, be deceived, leave the faith or partake in the great falling away.  With such warnings we desire to guide our lives in obedience. 

However, we feel we would be in error to say a man can loose his salvation, because we recognize the Calvinist do an honorable job of defending the position of eternal security.  Yet we reject the notion that a man can live without God in his live who has once made a commitment to the Lord and be saved.

So here is the church stuck with a choice of door number one or door number two.  The simple man reading and applying his scripture to his life, indentifies with truths found in scripture from both doors.  Yet at the same time rejects some of the dogmatic conclusions of both doors. 

The real sorrow is that there appears to be this conflict in scripture, where our very gospel is split asunder and the new one man has become two different men all over again.  Now to the theologian this is denied because they are right and the other side is wrong.  But to us simple folks who read our gospel and live for Christ, we are not sold on either side.

Where is our door number three that we can choose?  Were is the doctrine that teaches no conflict in scripture, even for the common man when he reads his bible?  Where is the doctrine that does not tear in two again the new man that was created with our gospel?

Introducing door number three.

The doctrine of once saved always saved is found in scripture and the Calvinist honorably defend it.  The doctrine that believers need to not fall away, live disobedient lives, fall from their first love, etc. or they will not go to heaven is also found in scripture.  And this Armenians has defended honorably.  Here we have two ideas, man is saved forever and the disobedient believer can still go to hell.  So how is this to be reconciled to make a completely separate door number three?

The Armenians and the Calvinist have both made the same error in their doctrine which causes this rift in scripture.  They have not headed the whole counsel of the doctrine of the New Testament.  For some reason we have swept certain scriptures under the rug for others.  And both Arminianism and Calvinism have done this.

We have swept under the rug the truth of our faith having an end and that we are to live for this end, and that we are to receive at the end of our faith the salvation our souls.

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. [1]

Both sides have honorably defended the doctrine that Christ came to bear sin, but they have swept under the rug that at his second appearance He will come bringing salvation unto those that are looking for Him.

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.[2]

We are taught the elect have salvation, that it was given to them at conversion, but we have swept under the rug the scripture that agrees with the others that we have swept under the rug.  That the elect have a hope of salvation.

Therefore I endure all things for the elect’s sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.[3]

This is why Paul says we will be presented to God holy, unblameable and unreproveable if we continue in the hope of the gospel.

In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;[4]

Our door number three is to do exactly as Paul taught that is if we follow the teachings of Paul and Peter and the writers of Hebrews.  We have a hope of salvation if we continue in our faith to the end, even unto our salvation, whether we obtain it in death or unto salvation when Jesus returns and gives it to us.

By putting salvation where it belongs, at the end of our faith, whether in death or in life when Christ brings it to us, there is no more conflict on once saved always saved in scripture.  No more can a man loose his salvation as the Armenians teach.  Yes, once a man is saved he is eternally secured as the Calvinist teach, but not before we get to the end of our faith.

We now can quit sweeping certain scriptures under the rug and choose door number three.  But doesn’t this cause a new conflict in scripture with those verses that say we have been saved, you ask?  Not according to the doctrine of the New Testament it doesn’t.  But how you ask?  The New Testament teaches we are saved, how can it be said we are saved and have a hope of salvation, you ask?

I am ready for your abuses.  Please remind me of my ignorance once again and that I have no doctrine.  Abuse me again, if you will, not because you address the scriptures I presented, but because you sweep them under the rug, again.  But in your eagerness to speak the truth at least look for the answer is found in the New Testament.  Hint, it is found in the example of our father Abraham. 


[1] 1Peter 1:9

[2] Hebrews 9:28

[3] 2 Timothy 2:10

[4] Colossians 1:22-23

9 thoughts on “Let’s make a deal on door #3!

  1. David,

    Your “abuse” is your own…not honestly stating the so-called doctrines of both Calvinism and Arminianism, and also “interpreting” the texts you quote. As I said, proof-texting means little without proper interpretation and application.

  2. As I predicted, I am not called to task by your addressing the scripture, but by some vague comment that I myself or none of the readers can really put a head around. What have you to say, not about me, but about the scripture I mentioned?

    • As I said, you don’t interpret scripture in context and the “theological”! But seek to proof-text, and this means little really. And you write mostly in the method of the ad-hoc, for some special idea alone. But truth, and that biblical-historical, and theological? Not fully! I am not attacking your motives, but your methods and doctrine-theology in the historical.

  3. David,

    This is “your” blog and your place to make biblical argument, and not mine. I can see that I am not going to touch your presuppositions. I have said much already on other posts, as to Scripture and to the Judeo-Christian “theology”. But best to seek to reassess your thoughts and thinking, not before me, but before the Lord. This is the place that we all must seek!

  4. The difference that is being said is “manifestation” of said promise. We are both “saved” at the time of our believe and are “awaiting salvation” (the actual manifestation of our belief) when either die or Jesus returns. The point of it all boils down to…do u believe that He is who He says that He is and that U need his forgiveness. If U never believe that U R sinnful (regardless of your actions) then U cannot believe the Gospel. The “Law” shows everyone that even by there “actions” they are sinners and points to the need for forgiveness.

  5. Howdy Edwina,

    Saying we are saved and will be saved forces me to ask, do you believe in once saved always saved, or can one loose there salvation?

    Secondly, Paul himself teaches that no man hopes for what he already has. So if we have it how can we hope for it?

    (Rom 8:24-25 NIV) For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

    Paul taught we were “saved” into a hope, a promise. Kind of smacks of our famous scripture on faith.

    (Heb 11:1-2 NIV) Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for.

    So if we see scripture teaching we have a hope and we are hoping for what we do not have and our faith is believing unswervingly to this hope, and at the same time quoting scriptures that say we are saved, is God duplicit?

    Not at all we are seeing another New Testament teaching come into play.

    (Rom 4:17 NIV) As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.” He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed–the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

    God calls things that are not as if they were. Are we going against other scriptures, even the most famous one on faith and tell God, “Not in our gospel you don’t.” If so then what is faith for?

  6. Nope…you can’t look at scripture and not say “some who beleived no longer beleive”. i do beleive in the security of the saved and that He would began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it. however I also don’t beleive you “lose” your salvation. You lose your keys, you lose your wallet…but not your salvation. strict calvinism would say you have no free will, and i would agree…before you are set free from sin…you’re a slave to sin. however freedom means you now have a choice. you can “choose” to foresake faith (parable of the sower). this would be willful and knowingly turning. btw col 2:13 says ALL sin. i could go on but it is a pain to fill this out on my phone.

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