I can’t do it alone, can you?


Here on the internet we would be scholars and teachers of men spend much time and effort to be the most impressive with our understanding of scripture.  We volley back and forth with our ideas of spiritual understanding and enlightenment.  We give off the impression that our walk with the Lord has brought us to a place of spiritual maturity if not perfection, for personal imperfection is taboo when we are trying to gain a following of what we advocate.

Let me be the first to say that I am not what I should be in the Lord.  I have not arrived and at times I feel like I lose ground.  I am aware that I am in a spiritual battle.  All is not quiet on the western front for me.  As Carmen says in one of his song, “My flesh and spirit had a race and Satan went full throttle.”  But with this confession how, can I become what I need to be in Christ.

I looked for it in the local church and I did not see what I was promised.  I have looked for it here on the net and saw no evidence of it here either.  Where do I go to be part of what every believer needs?

It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.[1]

When I go to the local body all I see is the pastor, worship leader, Sunday school teacher and the guy who gives announcements, church administrator, sound ministry etc.  I can find all kinds of titles and positions in church except for what God has ordained for us, to benefit us in our walk with our God. Where are the prophets that speak into our lives and keep us on the path with God?  Where is the Apostles and the evangelist with their leadership and spiritual gifts to build up the body of Christ?

On line we are like players of Monopoly trying to gain as much following as possible to be that which we desire to be.  Yet where is the Spirit of the Lord?  We on line are no better off than what we are at the local level, maybe even worse. 

How does one get past what is so glaringly lacking in what God Himself has given the church, so we can become mature?  I know for me that I do not want to be full of head knowledge and yet miss what I could have been in Christ, because I never became mature in my walk.

Who else is with me in acknowledging we can’t do it ourselves.  Who will acknowledge with me we need the prophet too?  Who will admit with me we need more than just the pastor, but the apostle and evangelist too? 

Is there any hope for a people who are denied the existence of every office God has ordained for our benefit excluding the office of the pastor?  Is there any hope for a people who have been so sheep herded, that we think only one kind of bleating sheep (the pastor) is good enough for us.  Most of us can’t even recognize God not only wants, but needs us to bleat out his message in all the offices and gifts of the Spirit as He has ordained for us.  For those of who think we have arrived and are a light to men, what office of the Spirit are you, another pastor?

I need you to help me become what I desire to be in Christ.  I need your accountability, wisdom, prayers, spiritual understanding, spoken word of knowledge, timely rebuke and correction.  And somehow have this in the biblical context of what Paul preached, the testimony of the Law and the prophets.  Not something close to the real thing, but the real thing.

In the natural I feel this is hopeless, but with the Spirit I have hope.


[1] Ephesians 4:11-13

14 thoughts on “I can’t do it alone, can you?

  1. “…But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.” (Mark 13:11)

    If the gifts are not for today, then how can we speak what the Holy Spirit gives us? After reading this book do you believe the Spirit has the power to tell you what is of God and what isn’t? Without any hesitation, most Christians would give a resounding yes. Yet, as we speak, many are already trusting in the knowledge of celebrated teachers. Can you imagine more Christians receiving the mark of the beast than those who refuse? When the False Prophet issues the mark worldwide, overcomers won’t be able to have a job, a mailing address, even a phone. How many Christians will trust the Holy Spirit to lead them through such unprecedented persecution? Unfortunately, by the time we get there, there may be more in the church believing in the traditions of men rather than the doctrine of Christ.

    • I agree with you, many Christians will not understand why we will not go with the new wonderful blessings that God is giving us. I tell people all the time, when prosperity comes again, and I use the term lightly, we may not be able to participate in it. The antichrist will not be in a line of succession of world leaders. He will be the only one world leader. What comes will be the persecution of true believers.

  2. It’s chilling to see the growing number of believers that have no desire to study the promise of His coming. There is no doubt the Holy Spirit wants us to comprehend the consequences of such denial. Why is there such confusion over His coming? Why do pastors teach so many different interpretations? And why is there such disagreement among Christian leaders? There are two reasons for such uncertainty. It begins with those training the saints for the work of the ministry. God chose apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers, to equip and edify the body of Christ. Besides receiving salvation through the gospel, the greatest truth of the Great Commission is our Lord coming back at the end of the age (harvest) (Mat. 28:18-20). God wants every saint to be strengthened by this promise. Incredible as it may seem, after twenty generations, most ministers have abandoned this precious truth. How so? Ministers are not teaching the coming of the Lord in the words of Jesus and His apostles. They’re redefining His coming by the traditions of men. How else can you explain it being taught in so many different ways?

  3. You said, “I need you to help me become what I desire to be in Christ. I need your accountability, wisdom, prayers, spiritual understanding, spoken word of knowledge, timely rebuke and correction.'”

    Like you, I see the failure of the Church. But I cannot speak to those failures since I, too, am also a failure…falling way short of what God desires me to be. The Holy Spirit reminds my heart that I have no power over the choices and behaviors of others. But I do have power over my own choices…behaviors…over being obedient through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I have agonized over the last months concerning my own failures. I don’t consider anyone elses. The failures of others are in God’s hands. They are not mine to consider. It is encounter with the Holy Spirit which causes one to consider sin. But He comes to us and shines the light on OUR darkness…and does not intend that we point out the darkness of others. He desires we get the log out of our eyes so LIGHT gets through to the soul…so to speak. But…through the teaching of the Holy Spirit, I know and understand that when I reach the point of ‘believing’ God with the fruits of full obedience…then…and only then…will I become a true ‘apostle’ of Christ. Many years ago, He came to me in a vision and said, ‘Follow me.” That call was no different than when He called followers while He walked on Earth. Five years ago, God manifested the voice of Elias to me..in the daytime…while fully awake..and I heard him the same as those of Christ’s time heard John the Baptist crying “…..saying, ‘The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.Matt 3:3

    I was blown away by the experience. I could not even share it with my husband for a week. It was too sacred. Too precious. Too SERIOUS. I cannot convince anyone, nor will I try, concerning my experience that day. But I know it was equivalent to the cry spoken of in connection with the five wise virgins…’behold the bride groom cometh.’ I’m giving you what you asked for…something from God…something strengthening…something REAL. Elias remains the forerunner of Christ. He came in the office of John the Baptist at the First Coming. At the Second Coming he will again preceed Christ’s return by prophesying the Gospel to the blind/deaf remnant of Israel. We are near enough to the final phases of this world..for the forerunner to already be working. We are in days which are full of trouble. They won’t get better. They will get worse. Our TRUST in God is our PEACE about these things. If God won’t save the world…how can we??? Each man is commanded to ‘work out your own salvation with fear and tremblings.’ But we often spend so much time working out the salvation of others…we leave no time to work out our own.

    But, please remember that I told you this. Knowing and receiving things from God does not win friends and influence people. Totally the opposite. It is NOT for the purpose of SAVING THE MASSES! It is for the purpose of comforting and undergirding the few who are open to the Spirit of God…Truth. The gifts of the Spirit given to early Christians…though powerful…did not LIFT them before men. But, rather, they had to hide, to endure persecution, to trust God fully both in life and in death. Christ was not a televangelist. He was not a pastor. He went about doing Good…teaching when opportunity availed itself from God. He was quiet, in the background, unknown…for the most part. People who know me…very seldom hear of my experiences from God. I learned long ago to share them only when the Holy Spirit says ‘share.’ And this is one of those times.

    The word for you is…don’t be concerned about the progress or failures of others. Be at peace about that. You have no power over any of that. Give it to God. The battle is the Lord’s. YOu DO have power to yield your own body as a Temple of God. When that happens, you will have what you desire…and your desire will not be fore temporal things…but for things Spiritual. God promised.

    John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
    38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

    The thing wrong with our Christianity is that CHRIST is not in it! He WILL not dwell where sin dwells. We can’t serve Christ and self (mammon). The desire of your heart is for fellowship with Christ….as Christ told Peter ‘on this rock I will build my church.’ The rock is personal encounter with the LIVING SON OF GOD BY WAY OF THE HOLY COMFORTER. You will find it. I know you will…otherwise..God will not be piercing your heart concerning such matters. Trust Him. I’m in the very same place as you. I desire to be all God wants of me…not for my sake…but for His. And I will find that place…by His power and promises.

    Carolyn

    • “The word for you is…don’t be concerned about the progress or failures of others. Be at peace about that. You have no power over any of that. Give it to God. The battle is the Lord’s. YOu DO have power to yield your own body as a Temple of God. When that happens, you will have what you desire…and your desire will not be fore temporal things…but for things Spiritual. God promised. ” I need to put my head straight forward and plow.

  4. Of course, no one can do it alone. This is why Christ gave us the local church. Even if imperfections are perceived, if one engages and invests, perhaps both can grow into Christian maturity. What few seem to realize is that the bulk of the NT makes little sense apart from membership in a covenant community. The tendency is to view “the church” as a mere universal entity, whereas most Scriptural uses are of a local body of believers, with bishops, elders, and deacons.

    “Evangelists”, unlike pastors, are not in the front on Sunday mornings, but rather share Christ throughout the week. “Prophets” (this is a debated term) are likely those among the body who encourage and exhort others – also not an “in the spotlight” gifting. In other words, the HS is doing much ‘behind the scenes’ not obvious in a Sunday morning service.

    The church my family attends initially looks like any other – steeple, Sunday School, worship leader, pastor, sermon, etc. But it’s much, much more than that. We are often encouraged by other believers – comforted in our trials (and we’ve had some of late!), gently rebuked and exhorted in our failings. With Christ as the head, this local body of HIs is a necessary component of our Christian walk. Every believer is encouraged to seek out and find a local body of like-minded Christians who are committed to the word, and who will come alongside us in our weaknesses, to provide much needed encouragement. This is what Christ wants of us.

    • Of course, no one can do it alone. This is why Christ gave us the local church.
      I would say you would be better spoken if you would have said that is why He gave us His body. You know as well as I do being part of a local body doesn’t make anybody anything. But being part of the body of Christ makes us all things in Him. So it is being in Christ, not the local body that we strive.
      But you think this only happens in the local body? That God needs the non profit 5013-C to make His body and without it we are doomed?
      Even if imperfections are perceived,
      You win the prize for the understatement of the year. There are not perceived imperfections, there are imperfections. Just because you are comfortable with them doesn’t make them perceived.
      if one engages and invests, perhaps both can grow into Christian maturity.
      We agree this is the goal for both you and me.
      What few seem to realize is that the bulk of the NT makes little sense apart from membership in a covenant community.
      Right you are, but the covenant community is the body of Christ, not some organization. The “local church” as we have come to understand it is not the same as the body.
      The tendency is to view “the church” as a mere universal entity, whereas most Scriptural uses are of a local body of believers, with bishops, elders, and deacons.
      Again I whole heartedly agree with you. It is not something in the ethereal plain to embody what was meant by scripture. But real people, with real offices and gifts, all functioning. That was my point. Remember bishop, elders and deacons are not what God has given but us.
      “Evangelists”, unlike pastors, are not in the front on Sunday mornings, but rather share Christ throughout the week. “Prophets” (this is a debated term) are likely those among the body who encourage and exhort others – also not an “in the spotlight” gifting. In other words, the HS is doing much ‘behind the scenes’ not obvious in a Sunday morning service.
      You want a good example of a pastor, look at Stephen or Barnabas. These men are not in the lime light, but making the behind the scenes changes in peoples lives. They are the shepherds who take individual attention to the sheep.
      It is my whole hearted conviction the office of the pastor has usurp Christ’s place as head of the body and now tells the other offices what to do and when. Just as the Jews rejected God as king, we have rejected Christ as our head. We have left what Paul has taught us.
      Challenge me on this if you will.
      The church my family attends initially looks like any other – steeple, Sunday School, worship leader, pastor, sermon, etc. But it’s much, much more than that. We are often encouraged by other believers – comforted in our trials (and we’ve had some of late!), gently rebuked and exhorted in our failings. With Christ as the head, this local body of HIs is a necessary component of our Christian walk. Every believer is encouraged to seek out and find a local body of like-minded Christians who are committed to the word, and who will come alongside us in our weaknesses, to provide much needed encouragement. This is what Christ wants of us.
      I can not speak about your local body, but I would venture to say if I did some more questioning, you would either conclude we have left our model found in scripture or you are to comfortable to change.

      May I ask you questions about your fellowship?

      • glasseyedave,

        “I would say you would be better spoken if you would have said that is why He gave us His body. ”

        Actually, “church” is a biblical word, being translated from ekklesia (“congregation”). The word is used often in the NT, with the majority of uses referring to a local body of believers.

        “You know as well as I do being part of a local body doesn’t make anybody anything. But being part of the body of Christ makes us all things in Him. So it is being in Christ, not the local body that we strive.”

        You’ve created a false dichotomy between being in Christ, vs. being a part of a local congregation. Both are part and parcel to the Christian life. We are saved by Christ and joined with other like-minded believers in the local church. Every letter Paul wrote to churches was to a local body of Christians. That’s why it was such a big deal (until relatively recently in Christian history) to be removed from fellowship. In today’s climate, this isn’t much of a threat.

        “But you think this only happens in the local body? That God needs the non profit 5013-C to make His body and without it we are doomed?”

        People can be saved outside of the local church. I’m only arguing that Scripture points us to covenant membership where exhortation, teaching, and accountability can be achieved. Don’t lump all churches in together. There are many that strive to be biblical in all they do. God doesn’t call us to be ‘lone ranger’ Christians. I’m not saying you are, only that there are legions who think they are okay being spiritual all by themselves. This is simply tragic.

        “It is my whole hearted conviction the office of the pastor has usurp Christ’s place as head of the body and now tells the other offices what to do and when. Just as the Jews rejected God as king, we have rejected Christ as our head. We have left what Paul has taught us. Challenge me on this if you will.”

        You’re statement is too sweeping. Not all pastors are tyrants. Many churches have multiple elders who function in pastoral roles. This seems best to me, since Scripture leads me to believe that a single pastor is not ideal. If you want to ask me about the church I attend, that’s fine.

  5. Hi Dave,
    After teaching 2nd coming seminars the past ten years I’m now convinced more Christians will be deceived and receive the mark of the Beast than those who remain faithful and overcome through Jesus! During the Great Tribulation, not the beginning of sorrows that comes before or the day of the Lord that follows, millions of Christians are going to grieve the Holy Spirit so much that their discernment will be blinded. I never dreamed we would reach a time when the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers would turn their backs on the body of Christ by refusing to warn and prepare them to overcome the Beast and his agenda to deceive forever (Mat. 24:4-5).

  6. I validate your hurt at rejection you’re experiencing at the hands of other believers. Been there…done that. The outcome…I learned that it doesn’t matter….at all. But at least you know in a small portion ….what Christ encountered. And whether you accept it or not…the rejection is only GOD closing doors…. for His good purpose. If you are willing to follow where HE leads….you will find what you seek. If not…you will be angry, judgemental, and fruitless.

    • Do my post speak of hurt and rejection by the body? I had not the intention of coming across that way. My purpose is to show this is black and this is white. This is hot and this is cold.

  7. Jason

    “You’ve created a false dichotomy between being in Christ, vs. being a part of a local congregation. Both are part and parcel to the Christian life.”

    Your comment is like saying all Jews are Jews, which scripture says not all Jews are Jews. It is like saying all wheat and tares are the same and scripture says they are not the same. Like saying warm is on equal standing with hot, and it is not, both have two different destinations.

    What is part and parcel to the Christian life is not associating oneself with a so called believer and do so with a true believer. What does light have to do with darkness? How can light and dark both come to worship and leave and those attending call it fellowship? Light is those who obey and darkness is those who think they do and don’t.

    My post “Scriptural Challenge’ and “Scriptural Challenge (Part 2)” were inspired my our conversation. And they are my challenge to you.

    “We are saved by Christ and joined with other like-minded believers in the local church.”

    We await Christ to bring us our salvation as scripture teaches. I don’t want like minded people, I want what I read in scripture.

    “Every letter Paul wrote to churches was to a local body of Christians.”

    Yes and it was to a city where the letters had to passed around to those who met in homes.

    “I’m only arguing that Scripture points us to covenant membership where exhortation, teaching, and accountability can be achieved.”

    My point is the way you go about exhortation, teaching and accountability is not scriptural, therefore can not really me achieved to the level of what we can live in the Holy Spirit.

    “There are many that strive to be biblical in all they do.”

    Are you as biblical as my last two post?

    “God doesn’t call us to be ‘lone ranger’ Christians.”

    My point exactly, when I said I can not do it alone. But doing it in a group that is not following scripture isn’t doing anything but grieve the Holy Spirit in a group. I am good enough at that on my own.

    “Many churches have multiple elders who function in pastoral roles.”

    It is these so called “Pastoral roles” I have issues with in my last two post, that are a challenge to you.

    Let me know what you think.

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