Disarming Calvinism (part six)


Calvinism teaches that there are those people that God has not sent His Son to die for.  Their doctrine actually teaches that God has chosen men to die in there sins because God did not send His Son for them and they call this election and predestination.  Why do they do this?  Because nothing that God does would be less than 100% realized.  So if Christ died for all mankind, and not all receive Him then His efforts are not 100% realized.

In “Disarming Calvinism (part six)” I will demonstrate that God has not chosen some men for glory and some men hell.  I will disarm the Calvinistic idea that suppresses the compassion of God who does not wish for any man to die his sins.  Calvinism is wrong when it teaches that only some men are elected for salvation and others are not.

This is the end of my six part series on Disarming Calvinism.  To understand the biblical basis for my summation please read the entire post in order to follow the scriptural evidence I lay before you.

Some how Calvinist think they show the greatness of God by teaching that God in His great mercy has elected to only save some of mankind, knowing that none of mankind is worthy to be saved.  Therefore He displays His great benevolence in predestining some of us to be saved.

Calvinist also think they show the greatness of God by teaching that nothing that God puts an effort to is done in vain.  That it follows that Christ would not die for someone who would never come to a saving knowledge of Him.  That He is so mighty and we being without free will can not resist Him or His will for us.  Those who do not come to accept Him as savior were never predestined to receive God’s grace.  These people who die in their sins never had Jesus die for their sins, have their sins forgiven nor imputed righteousness.  And this is how Calvinist think they show the greatness of His benevolence, His mercy and His love.

Well I glasseyedave, the upstart that I am, believe that there is a better way to show these attributes of God’s character and this from a truly Biblical perspective.  That is to say in the perspective of The Gospel According to the Gospel.

God shows us plainly in scripture that He from the time of Abraham had selected one man and his descendants to show Himself to and to be their God and they to be His people.  To consummate this unique relationship with His creation, God imputed to Abraham and his descendants His righteousness with the sign of this covenant and righteousness being circumcision.  So the entire nation of Israel was elected, predestined and imputed righteousness to be a light unto the gentiles and a vessel that God would reveal Himself to the world.

Now in these last days, God has chosen His Son to be the vessel of His wrath to take away the sins of the world.  Through Christ we gentiles get to participate in the blessings given to Abraham.  We through our savior get to participate in the righteousness imputed to Abraham and his descendants as we become the spiritual children of Abraham.

But just as the biological children of Abraham did not receive by faith their imputed righteousness and sought it through obedience to the Law, they rejected the righteousness of God.  They further rejected His righteousness when they sought out other gods.  But what we see is God giving unmerited favor to a whole nation of His people with only a remnant to be saved.  Now this goes completely against the Calvinist idea of free will, election and predestination.  For the people of election after being imputed righteousness had a choice to live for God or reject Him.  Moses gave them a choice of blessings or cursings.  God predestined the nation of Israel to receive the covenant of imputed righteousness which many if not most rejected.  So we learn from scripture that predestination is not a shoe in.  Nor is election and having your sins wiped away by covenant as if they never were.

Now fast forward to the New Testament were Calvinism teaches contrary to the example of the people of Israel that we have not bettered, but have been grafted into though Christ.  They to the contrary of what is taught us in the New Testament believe that only those who will make it to heaven are imputed righteousness, have been predestined and called by God’s election.  But we have nothing on what God gave his servant Abraham or His descendants.  So how can we teach that our relationship with God is different than theirs?  Remember we are the ones grafted into the root not the root to us. 

Just as God chose Abraham and his descendants to impute His grace as a light and testimony to the world, now He has chosen all mankind and imputed to us all unmerited favor.  For who else could it be said of, they have become the savior of the world?  Who else has taken away the sins of the world? 

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world![1]

Jesus Himself says that He is the one who gives His life for the sins of the world, not for only that portion that fits the doctrine of Calvin.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”[2]

Speaking of Israel, Paul says their rejection of God is not reconciliation for only those who fit the Calvinistic view of election, but the reconciliation of the world.

For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?[3]

Let us be happy to quote:

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:[4]

But let us quote also the rest of what was taught by Paul.  That we as believers have been reconciled but not unlike the rest of the world, but like the rest of the world.  Only we get the ministry of reconciliation that gets to preach this good news of reconciliation.  For God has reconciled the world to Himself.  Why else does Christ need to die once for the sin of all mankind?  Because the sins of the world have been paid for and mankind is reconciled to Himself.

that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.[5]

Christ paid for all of our sins and we have all been imputed grace.  All of us believer and those who will not receive or live by the grace of God have been imputed this righteousness.  The question is who will live by faith and obedience. 

So we actually find that God demonstrates His character better by dying for all mankind.  Predestining all of mankind, through Christ, to be reconciled to God through imputed righteousness.  His calling is for every man, woman and child.  For He is not willing that any should be lost.

“What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?  And if he finds it, I tell you the truth, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off.  In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost.[6]

It is not that God dies only for those who receive Him, His love is so great for us that He dies for us even when we hate him so much as to despise what He has done.  His love for us is so great that He has predestined the whole world to be reconciled to Himself and now He is calling us, He is calling you.


[1] John 1:29

[2] John 6:51

[3] Romans 11:5

[4] 2 Corinthians 5:18

[5] 2 Corinthians 5:19

[6] Matthew 18:12-14

5 thoughts on “Disarming Calvinism (part six)

  1. At the website:

    http://contemporarycalvinist.blogspot.com/2010/07/this-week-in-calvinism-july-16-2010.html

    They state the following concerning my series Disarming Calvinism.

    “Here’s a tip: When claiming to be able to disarm Calvinism, use arguments that actually have some basis in scripture. Don’t say things unbiblical things like “Christ paid for all of our sins and we have all been imputed grace,” or that God “has predestined the whole world to be reconciled to Himself.” It’s hard to take you seriously.”

    Apparently this site has scripture that says likewise. So let us see the scripture that Jesus died only for part of the world or mankind. Let us see the verses that God is willing that some of these little ones go to hell. Let us see the scripture that teaches that God has not reconciled the world to Himself.

    Apparently Calvinism has the privilege to ignore scripture that speaks plainly of God and who He reconciles Himself to and what scripture they get to make up and never show us ignorant dissenters.

    Don’t just say, “Don’t say things unbiblical things like “Christ paid for all of our sins and we have all been imputed grace,” or that God “has predestined the whole world to be reconciled to Himself.” Show me in scripture where I am wrong. I have show through the covenant that God made with Abraham what God has done in the past with His people and how He now through Christ He has done the same for us gentiles. And this through our New Testament writers. What is your evidence that what I teach is wrong?

  2. “Calvinism teaches that there are those people that God has not sent His Son to die for.”

    i think you mean paul teaches that:

    Rom8:32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

    God gave up His Son for His chosen people – as a logical result, God will certainly give His chosen people “all things”, including justification. it is guaranteed by the intercession of His son (who refuses to intercede for the “world”:

    John17:9I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.

    so He intercedes for believers( and also, those “who will believe” v.20). In Jesus’ High Priestly Prayer, He intercedes only for the elect. He is the High Priest for those whom He sacrificed Himself and not “the world.”

    Matt1:21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.

    Titus2:13…the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

    John15:13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command.

    Eph5:25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy…

    John 10:14″I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd… 25Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.

    Jesus laid down His life for His sheep, for His church, for His friends – for a purpose, to sanctify them.

    if people “become” His sheep when they believe – as you would say – why does Jesus teach the reverse: that people who hear His voice and follow Him do so because they are His sheep and those who don’t believe deny Christ because they are not His sheep?

    Heb10:13Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, 14because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

    there are 2 groups of people. God knows which is which. one group (all believers in space and time, also known as the “elect”) which was made perfect at the cross and are being made holy in space and time. the other group is the unbelievers. is God “reconciled” to these people in looking forward to making them His footstool in judgement? (psalm 2 is the flip side of john 3:16 if you’d care to read that to balance your understanding.)

    Jesus was given for the “world” – which in the NT often means “both jews and gentiles” – as that was a new concept that the jews had a hard time understanding. “world” does not have to mean every single person and the verses above would make no sense if it meant what you believe. you’re reading the bible as a modern westerner and denying that the bible was written in a specific culture. that will naturally lead to error.

    • Charles,

      No I do not mean Paul teaches.

      The gospel I find in scripture is God imputed Abraham and his descendents righteousness as an everlasting covenant. I think this you know about me.

      Paul teaches that circumcision is the seal of imputed righteousness.

      (Rom 4:11 KJV) And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

      Paul teaches that Christ was a minister of this imputed righteousness, this being circumcision. And what was the promise to the fathers? What has Christ done? Was it not to take away the sins of the world?

      (Rom 15:8 KJV) Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

      Paul taught that just as Abraham was given the seal of righteousness, this being circumcision, we gentiles are now included in this blessing through Christ.

      (Gal 3:6 KJV) Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.(Gal 3:7 KJV) Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.(Gal 3:8 KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.(Gal 3:9 KJV) So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
      (Gal 3:14 KJV) That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

      Paul teaches Israel for the most part has rejected this righteousness that has now come the gentiles. But God made a remnant of those who would live by faith and not seek righteousness through the Law but by faith in the promise, the covenant God made their forefathers.

      (Rom 10:3 KJV) For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.(Rom 9:29 KJV) And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.(Rom 9:30 KJV) What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.(Rom 9:31 KJV) But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.(Rom 9:32 KJV) Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

      Paul teaches that God through Christ has reconciled the world to Himself not holding their trespass, their sin against them.

      (2 Cor 5:18 KJV) And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;(2 Cor 5:19 KJV) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

      John agrees with this.

      (1 John 2:2 KJV) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

      So yes Christ intercedes for us who have received what God has done for us. So that we too may remain in the hope we have and not fallen short of it.

      Paul teaches we are reconciled and are to be presented to God IF, not since, but perhaps if we continue in our faith and not moved from the hope we have.

      (Col 1:21 KJV) And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled(Col 1:22 KJV) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:(Col 1:23 KJV) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

      This is the gospel I read from Paul. The whole word is reconciled and we too know as gentiles can share in the blessing given to our spiritual forefathers in the covenant of circumcision of the heart of which Christ was a minister of. Of whom we know He intercedes for us so we will not abandon the hope of our gospel so we too can be presented to the father. Amen.

      Concerning the question on sheep, what is so hard to understand that those who do not reject God become His sheep because they hear His call and obey? I don’t get it? How is this unbiblical?

      How is God making His enemies His footstool contradictory to what I advocate? Did not Christ die for us when we were yet His enemy? Did we not go from wrath to grace as we remain in our faith? I am not understanding you? Are you saying you were never an enemy of God? What is so hard to understand those who are enemies and remain under wrath will be judged?

      I would never interpret what I read and say, “does not have to mean” as in every single person. Either it does or doesn’t. This is the reasoning I encounter when I talk to Witnesses. So either it is or isn’t? Which is it? Or is God duplicit in His word?

      I have enjoyed the conversations. I hope the gospel I see in scripture challenges you and you look to what Paul taught and not Calving. 

      glasseyedave

  3. “Calvinism teaches that there are those people that God has not sent His Son to die for. Their doctrine actually teaches that God has chosen men to die in there sins because God did not send His Son for them and they call this election and predestination.” This statement is short sighted. God loved his son and wanted to give him a bride. The son came to earth and paid a dowry that cost him his very life. Christ came for those God had given him, John 17:6. Further you make a great effort to show that Christ died for the whole world. The implication is that by “world” you mean every person that has ever lived. Would you please show how world=every person who ever lived is a good interpetation based on the original language? If world means every person who ever lived then 1 John 2:15 say that if I love people the love of the Father is not in me.

    • First of all you need a better translation. I John 2:15 says if any man love the world or the things of the world the love of the father is not in him. Or did you have a typo?

      Yes, Calvinism teaches that God has chosen some to be His bride and others not. In choosing one and not the other, God does choose who will go to hell and who will not, no one else is doing the choosing here. You like to think my statement short sighted, I call it the conclusions of the logic of you bad doctrine. By the way, this debate has been going on between the Arminian thought and Calvinism long before I showed up. I am not the only one arguing the case. Even Calvinist, when pressed, have to admit that their doctrine has put God in the position of electing individuals to go to hell. So please let’s not pretend that this is an original thought of mine, or that Calvinist don’t have have special names for such a stark belief in God. The conclusion of the doctrines of Calvinism is just offensive, so most, like you, like to back peddle from it.

      Now to the whole world comment.

      First of all, I love the fact that you are a son of the reformation movement, with such great fathers as Wycliffe and Luther just to mention a few. They believed the Pope to be wrong when the church taught that man can not know God, but from the original language and to be taught by the Church. Instead they believed and lived and died the understanding that man could have a revelation of God, as God meant to reveal Himself to man, through the everyday language of a people. And now here you are a son of the reformation movement showing the folly of the reform fathers by insisting that some linguist who was not inspired by the Holy Spirit, is the final word concerning the revelation of God’s word.

      Secondly, never in scripture does it say what Calvinism believes to be true. That is that Christ would not die for someone who would not be so fortunate to be predestined to go to heaven. You imply this teaching. Now to the whole world. Since you are suspicious of the word “world”, that is always translated “world”, in every version that I am aware of, let us take a different approach. How about the word… “man”? Can we trust the word “man”?

      Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

      You can not say… It is written, Jesus did not die for anyone who was not predestined. Why, because you imply this by your doctrine.

      But, But I can say… It is written, Jesus was made lower than the angels so he could suffer death and taste death for every man. Which by the way fits right in with the fathers of the Reformation movement, that I can Know God through the language of the every day man. Nor does it differ from the use of the word “world”, “whomsoever” and “if any man”.

      How is it you discredit what is clearly written for what you imply by your doctrine?

      So what should I conclude? That, I am more of a son of the reformation movement than you? Or how about, I can say it is written and you can not?

      As a suggestion, maybe approach this subject like this… If I take your view on it, how do you handle this verse or that verse. You might find the conversation more interesting and less lecturing.

      Thanks for your comments

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