Being found worthy in a world of crickets?

Every now and then I will do a Check it out segment on this site to draw attention to something happening out of the main light on my sight or a conversation I am having on another blog.  The last one I submitted was a conversation about the differences between James and Paul.  James says it is not by faith alone but works that a man is justified.  Paul says it is by grace and not works.  I challenged those on the website and those who read it to explain the difference between the two points of views.  So far all I get is the sound of crickets.  I have read a lot about Paul’s perspective on this site but nothing is put forth concerning these supposed apposing views.  This Calvinism sight refuses to even explain James 2:24 for me.  It is crickets again.

My last post Are you worthy in a world of election? challenged the mindset that it is only James who appears to appose Paul’s teaching of grace alone.  For Christ Himself spoke of being found worthy.  Those not found worthy were punished in wrath.  This in itself contradicts the Calvinist understanding of election which teaches it has nothing to do with works or being found worthy.

It is my purpose to build up what looks like two hugely apposing theologies in scripture, which doctrines find themselves encamped in, in order to demonstrate the integrity and purity of the gospel spoken of and defended here at The Gospel According to the Gospel.  It coming days I will post a long post that will show how our gospel is not divided and that James and Paul do not contradict each other.  Furthermore I will use the covenant that God gave Abraham, that we now participate in, as our example.

In light of this I wish to discus more scripture that speaks of our participation and not election only in what God is doing for us.  Ironically this verse comes from Paul, whom the Calvinist rally around to prove their positions on election and grace.  Yet we find Paul talking about believers being found worthy. 

Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:[1]

First of all I find it very interesting that Paul says they pray for them always to be found worthy of the calling of God.  If it is as the Calvinist say, that those men who are elected by God can not resist His irresistible grace or His sovereign will in His election, that they must be and will be saved.  Why does Paul pray for anyone to be found worthy of anything?  Calvinism teaches we have nothing worthy that we are totally incapable of offering anything worthy.

Since Calvinist teaching takes all responsibility of man’s eternal destiny from him, it strips him from the responsibility and consequences of walking out of his faith.  Now if this is as I advocate, is against what scripture teaches, then this leads men to become disconnected from their responsibilities in the maintaining of their own faith that can save them.  This is why it is so important to defend the true gospel.

Why would Paul also pray that God would fulfill all the good pleasure of His will concerning the saints if Paul believed like a Calvinist?  Paul would not need to pray this, since it would be a given the saint can not resist His will.

For the Calvinist to say that Paul prayed this so the saints would live up to their calling, is not the same to be found worthy.  Living up to their calling doesn’t carry the same weight as being found worthy.  Not being found worthy excludes, where as not living up to the calling shames. 

So what do you think, do the Calvinist have it right, that man is not being asked of the gospel to be found worthy?  Is it all by a select election and irresistible grace as they contend Paul teaches?  Or is it that we have a responsibility in our faith and obedience to produce good works or else jeopardize our own election as James teaches?  Well Calvinist what do you think, or will I only hear crickets?

[1] 2 Thessalonians 1:11

4 thoughts on “Being found worthy in a world of crickets?

  1. There is no contradiction between James and Paul. Christ Himself could not change the thinking of the ‘church folks’ when He was here with us. The problem is in a person’s desire to UNDERSTAND or to have WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE…as did both James and Paul…as to the Truth. Many today do NOT have Godly wisdom and knowledge which comes ONLY through the Holy Spirit….nor do they seek it. They are content with their own traditions and beliefs and they enjoy the ‘debate.’ Conversations with them is equal to looking through the glass window of a clothes dryer and watching clothes spinn round and round…….going nowhere but in a circle. lol. Many Christians and church-goers today CANNOT hear or see the Truth. Only those who are SEEKING understanding of the Word…are taught its truths through spiritual discernment. It comes no other way. The following is the one and only REQUIREMENT for understand the GOSPEL.

    1jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    TEACHING/LEARNING is an interactive process. One teaches….but the hearer has to be willing to learn. The teacher has not control over the ‘learner.’ Spiritual ‘hearing’ and ‘sight’ happens ONLY through the presence of the Holy Spirit. He is the Teacher. Otherwise, a man is ‘deaf’ and ‘blind’ to the truth of the Gospel. Do not be frustrated that you can’t change their minds. It’s not in YOUR power to change thier minds. Rejoice that YOU know the Truth. Rejoice in others know the pure Gospel. When one KNOWS the pure Gospel….he MUST live it….more than speak it. The Gospel is ALIVE. The Gospel is CHRIST.

    The fire in your heart for putting forth the TRUE GOSPEL will bear fruit only to the hearers who are WILLING to learn…who are SEEKING the truth of the Gosepl. They HEAR!

    Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.


  2. You said, “If it is as the Calvinist say, that those men who are elected by God can not resist His irresistible grace or His sovereign will in His election, that they must be and will be saved. Why does Paul pray for anyone to be found worthy of anything? Calvinism teaches we have nothing worthy that we are totally incapable of offering anything worthy.”

    I think a more accurate question would be–Why would an Arminian pray that anyone be found worthy? From the Calvinist point of view God ordains the end, but He also ordains the means. We pray for help in perseverance—which is what this verse is talking about (we have already been counted worthy-verse 5). Of course we will persevere—this is clear from Scripture—and one of the means the God uses for our perseverance is prayer to, and dependence on, God. An Arminian, on the other hand, says that God gives equal grace to everyone—why pray for more grace when that life changing grace would be in violation of your free will? God’s hands are tied—it’s up to you and your sovereignty over the situation. And yes we are totally unworthy—outside of God’s grace. Calvinism does not teach that with God’s grace we are incapable of anything good—only that we are incapable on our own power.

    Rom 8:7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

    Heb 11:5-6 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. (6) And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

    Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God–

    You then said, “Since Calvinist teaching takes all responsibility of man’s eternal destiny from him, it strips him from the responsibility and consequences of walking out of his faith.”

    Again you prove that you have no understanding of what Calvinism teaches. Calvinists believe that they are completely responsible for their own decisions. For example, we have to make a conscious decision to accept Christ. If we do not make this decision, we will not be saved. The only difference is that Calvinists believe that it is only by God’s grace that we are ABLE to make that decision. Calvinists believe that it is their responsibility to persevere and to live in obedience to Christ, but we also believe that it is only through God’s glorious grace that we CAN live obediently.

    So, as to your final question as to whether it is election or personal responsibility to live righteously (if I may paraphrase), the answer is that it is both. A Calvinist will say that the elect is required to make the personal decision. He will only make that decision, however, because God, in His grace, enabled him to make that decision. A Calvinist will also say that the good works are evidence of salvation, not a cause of salvation (as is clearly shown in James 2:18).

    • Hi folwm,

      For the record I am not an Arminianist either. I see both sides only working on half of what God’s complete, not “compete”, word is. So know that I am no closer to the opposing view as I am to yours. So to ask me to defend Arminianism is nothing I wish to do.

      Please read my post from today called My sorrow and my shame to understand a little about what I believe. I give you this friendly challenge, can you find any other gospel of Paul’s from our New Testament concerning what he preached out of the Law of Moses and the prophets than what I have briefly laid out?

      Maybe you will answer back?

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