Understanding the two covenants

A response to Henry:

I think that the discussion of the two covenants, the Old and New Testaments, needs to be looked at from a different light than the traditional understanding of these covenants, in order to understand them better.  The following are truths that I hold to be true concerning our gospel.

1.  There is not more than one way man is imputed righteousness in scripture.

God did not present to the Old Testament saints one way of imputed righteousness and to us another.  What we gentiles enjoy, because of the Messiah, is not something separated from the promise given to Abraham or the righteousness God has given him and his descendents.  But through Christ we gentiles share in THE blessing of Abraham by which we receive the Holy Spirit.  (Henry, you speak of this in your second comments to me.)

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.[1]

We gentiles get to participate in the gospel already given to the original Children of Abraham.  Yes there is a New Covenant, but the difference is not found in the hope and promise of salvation as we teach from the pulpit.  Continue reading

Changing the debate


I do not know how much you read my blog, but I have been very desirous to converse specifically with you about things I see in scripture.  I wish to address your comments in a more formal manner than just another comment upon comment that sometimes gets overlooked.  Especially concerning such important fundamental truths about the hope held out to us in the gospel.  I hope my addresses to your comments will stir a lot of contemplation and a study of scripture by those who observe this conversation between brothers.

I wish to say, I like your summary of where the crux of the matter is for those who put their hope in Jesus Christ.  For this truly is the heart of the matter. 

“So of course where we are at is that those who desire to be sheep need to take heed that they are not complacent lest they become a instead goat – or they are living as a goat whilst assuming that they are a sheep. I think this is the crux of the matter.”

Ironically this is just one way scripture points to the truth of what you are saying.  In other cases it speaks of fruit and trees, again in other places it comes out and plainly speaks of believing in vain or falling from grace, etc.  Sadly though one half of Christianity believes these truths are not for them, the other half is completely unaware of these truths.  Leaving only a small minority who understand the truth you elaborated on and who strive to live by it. Continue reading

My strange dream

A couple of nights ago I had a dream.  This dream was so real that it took me a while to adjust to the fact that I had been dreaming. 

In my dream I was standing at the edge of lake.  As I stepped out to the lake my feet were held fast on the surface of the lake.  I took step after step expecting to sink at any moment.  The more steps I took the deeper out into the lake I went.  Eventually I got to the point where I began to realize that my faith was not going to give out and that I was not going to sink into the deep lake.  At this my faith swelled and I walked confidently on the lake.  At one point I stopped and lay down on the lake like one would lay down on the floor prostrate. 

My faith being bolstered by the integrity of the surface of the lake, which I could see down into, I got up and took off back to the shore.  On my way back I jumped over a small fishing boat, startling the fisherman in the boat.  As I approached the shore a crowd started to build because of their amazement and curiosity.  However, I found that people were more willing to hear what I had to say about the gospel for now I had some kind of authority to command their attention to hear the validity of what I had to say.  Then I awoke.

I do not know if this is just a random dream or if it is one of those promised in the book of Joel, but it gives me hope that my faith will not fail.  Maybe someday God will work in my life and my message something no man could believe.

Accountability to what gospel?

What gospel are we as believers accountable to?  Are we accountable to a gospel that teaches we, as those on the narrow path, are forever in God’s grace and are bound to forever be in the presence of Christ?  Which is not a teaching of Christ, for Christ Himself said that not all who have left the wide path will find themselves going through the narrow gate.  In fact, Christ tells those on the narrow path to make every effort to make it through the narrow gate.  Of course the words “strive” or “make every effort” will throw many into confusions or fits, because our salvation is not of any effort of our own. 

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.[1]

Now I am with those who say our salvation has nothing to with us.  But only in this sense, God has done what we could not do to provide a way of salvation for mankind. Continue reading

Sanctification, the blood, forgiven, imputed righteousness and salvation

I recently posted comments from Peter concerning our salvation and how he doesn’t relate salvation to the believer in any way as taught in Christianity.  Christianity teaches that, at a minimal, believers are saved at conversion.  Others say that they were saved, are being saved and will be saved.  Peter says none of this concerning our salvation.  Instead in the first chapter of I Peter we find him talking about a coming salvation and how we are receiving not the beginning of our faith but the end of our faith concerning our salvation.  In Peter’s eyes, we were born again into a living hope with an inheritance kept for us in heaven.

Unfortunately, Robert like so many believers think my position of the timing of salvation, means that I teach forgiveness by the blood of Christ and His imputed righteousness is not instantaneous at conversion.  Instead because of this understanding of the church, it is implied that I teach this, although nowhere have I ever taught this.  Simply because they can not separate those things from salvation.  They have not seen in scripture where there is a group of people who were imputed righteousness by God and most of them still died in their sins.

I further advocate that believers will not find any teaching coming either from Peter or any other writers of the New Testament about three tenses of salvation. Continue reading