My strange dream

A couple of nights ago I had a dream.  This dream was so real that it took me a while to adjust to the fact that I had been dreaming. 

In my dream I was standing at the edge of lake.  As I stepped out to the lake my feet were held fast on the surface of the lake.  I took step after step expecting to sink at any moment.  The more steps I took the deeper out into the lake I went.  Eventually I got to the point where I began to realize that my faith was not going to give out and that I was not going to sink into the deep lake.  At this my faith swelled and I walked confidently on the lake.  At one point I stopped and lay down on the lake like one would lay down on the floor prostrate. 

My faith being bolstered by the integrity of the surface of the lake, which I could see down into, I got up and took off back to the shore.  On my way back I jumped over a small fishing boat, startling the fisherman in the boat.  As I approached the shore a crowd started to build because of their amazement and curiosity.  However, I found that people were more willing to hear what I had to say about the gospel for now I had some kind of authority to command their attention to hear the validity of what I had to say.  Then I awoke.

I do not know if this is just a random dream or if it is one of those promised in the book of Joel, but it gives me hope that my faith will not fail.  Maybe someday God will work in my life and my message something no man could believe.

Christ died even for them

It sure can be a rough place on the World Wide Web when you contend for what you believe is scriptural.  Yesterday was a milestone day in the name calling I have received from believers who appose what I advocate.  Today I got called the mouthpiece of satan August 9, 2010 at 6:09 pm because I advocate what I consider foundational truths of our gospel.

We need to have faith like Abraham who hoped against all hope n the promises of God. Rom 4:18

  1. Heb 11:39 is an example of faith.  None of them received what was promised and they were commended for their faith.
  2. Faith is hoping in what we do not have. Heb 11:1
  3. Christians to have biblical faith must hope in the promises of God.  Who hopes for what he has. Rom 8:24-25
  4. God calls things that are not as if they were in our gospel.  This is why we see the duality in the NT of having and waiting.  Hence we can have faith like Abraham. Rom 4:17
  5. As Paul says, it is by grace through faith we are saved, not grace then faith Eph 2:8-9
  6. As James says, the faith through which we can receive grace is the kind accompanied by actions.  That a person is not justified in an empty faith but one that people act on. James 2:24

So for all of this I am a mouthpiece of the devil.

The amazing thing though, is our gospel is for those who hate us, think we are crazy or demon possessed.

Paul sharing the gospel with Festus got told he was insane.  Paul couldn’t convince him of the truth that his gospel was true and reasonable.

At this point Festus interrupted Paul’s defense. “You are out of your mind, Paul!” he shouted. “Your great learning is driving you insane.”  “I am not insane, most excellent Festus,” Paul replied. “What I am saying is true and reasonable.[1]

Jesus got told He was demon possessed and that people should not listen to Him.

Many of them said, “He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?”[2]

At one point Jesus got accused of being possessed by Beelzebub himself.

And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub ! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”[3]

Imagine it, Jesus Himself came to His own and they not only didn’t recognize Him, they thought He was possessed.  His own people, of the covenant of righteousness that comes by faith, rejected what He taught them.  His doctrine was strange to them.

And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.[4]

None of us have the corner on the abuse market.  Jesus had to put up with it all the time.  But the thing that gets me is, Jesus came and died for these people who just simply didn’t get it, they were hostile towards His message.  Jesus died for those people.

Imagine it.  The people of God who had the books of Moses and the prophets and boasted they were God’s chosen people, they had the words of God, but they couldn’t see the scriptural truth in what God was saying through His Son.

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.[5]

So it is with all of us who measure out the truth of God’s word to the people of God.  So let us count it all joy.

“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.  Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.[6]

The one we follow was hated first.

“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.[7]

Are we ready to go die for a world that hates us and our gospel message?

[1] Acts 26:24-25

[2] John 10:20

[3] Mark 3:22

[4] Matthew 22:33

[5] John 7:16

[6] Matthew 5:11-12

[7] John 15:18

The gospel of you know that you know that you know?

In my desire to help people to know what our word of God says so they can know with more certainty what our gospel says, I have observed a common theme.  This theme is you know that you know that you know and this is good enough.  Basically they advocate scripture is just to complex to know and that God doesn’t want us to understand everything anyway.  They are content not to understand scripture, even if it leaves them with a conflicted gospel because of the Compete Word of God syndrome found in Armin and Calvin.

But I have to ask if you know that you know that you know is really good enough?  After all Mormons who trust Jesus as their savior know that they know that they know.  So do the Jehovah Witnesses who trust Jesus as their savior.  So if the gospel of you know that you know that you know is good enough, why not end up in a Mormon church with those who know that they know to worship or any other claim to Christ faith?  That is if the gospel you know that you know that you know is any gospel at all.

Why not because it is more than just knowing that you know, it is about doctrine.  Those who say this acknowledge by their actions knowing that you know is not good enough.  They draw the line on doctrinal issues and don’t worship with others who know that they know too.

But what is really at the heart of the issue?  The people of God are not willing to take the time to study and pray to receive a clearer understanding of God’s word.  I believe Paul would be greatly disappointed with this mindset in God’s people.  After all he is the one who in scripture prays for the spirit of understanding for the saints.

I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.  I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints,[1]

Paul fully anticipates believers to do something with the deposit of the Holy Spirit we boast we have.  He fully expects us to listen to the Holy Spirit to instruct in God’s word.  We must remember Paul and those others did not have a Compete Word of God, they had the Complete Word of God.  So why would a believer, who boast of the Holy Spirit, reject the very clarity the Holy Spirit can bring to scripture?

Paul is not alone in his expectation of the Holy Spirit teaching us.  I have to believe what John wrote to the early church, he would write to us today.  Both men of God expect the believer to have the relationship, we all brag we have, and have the Holy Spirit teach us.  The question for the believer is this, why is not the Holy Spirit teaching you things if the anointing you received is not counterfeit?  Why settle for the gospel of you know that you know to gloss over the Compete Word of God?

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him.[2]

Why wait for some man, even myself, to explain something to you.  Let the Holy Spirit teach you.  Be aware that you will be ridiculed by the church for taking this position.  I have.

Because I actually believe this scripture, I was told it was the “epitomy of arrogance“,  (August 8th comment) that I actually believe the Holy Spirit teaches me His word.  But I believe my anointing is real.  I thought that used to be called faith?

However, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him“–but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.  For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.  We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.[3]

I am sorry to all those I offend, but my God has told me in scripture that I can know all things because the Spirit who is my anointing searches all things, even the deep things of God.  If I have the Spirit of God in me then why be surprised that I believe I can have the Complete Word of God.  Why would any of us who lets the Holy Spirit teach us in His word expect anything less?  Instead we are expected to learn from men and not the Holy Spirit. 

So what is it for you believer, do you know that you know to gloss over the Compete Word of God or do you know that you know that you know because the Holy Spirit has taught you the Complete Word of God?

[1] Ephesians 1:17-18

[2] 1John 2:27

[3] 1 Corinthians 2:9-12

Finger on the issue

My last post was a very heartfelt post for me and I opened myself up to those who read this blog.  I want to say that to date I feel all of the comments I have received were comments of like kind.  I find them kind words, because they too are from the reader’s hearts.  One disadvantage of being me is I can not see what you guys see.  One of the disadvantages of being you is that you can not read my mind.  One of the disadvantages of being human, communicating what we communicated at times is not what we thought we communicated.  So with my last post and many post. 

To address the concern my gospel doesn’t mention Christ enough, and Abraham far to many times.  It is my conviction that the modern Samerican gospel is so out of whack that if it were a building, we would be tearing it down and building a new foundation.  So in trying to reach out to the church, those Samericans who with their hearts worship what they do not know, I want to build a new foundation.

Paul preaches, late in the book of Acts, from the Law of Moses and the prophets.  This is not only his foundation, it is his gospel.  Of him it was said that he proved that Jesus was the Christ from these scriptures.  Knowing that I do not have to convince anyone of this fact, I am trying to get the church to see what Paul and others have preached to us in their letters concerning what came from the books of Moses and the prophets.  I want a clean level foundation to build upon, and I think we would all agree what Paul teaches from there is a good place from which to build a foundation.

So in my posts I am not writing about many things I would love to write about.  Instead seeing the condition of the almost unrecognizable Samerican gospel, I have chosen this to be my starting point.  If the foundation is not properly laid down, then we will get what appears to be contradictions in scripture, which we have today between Calvin and Armin.  I advocate that the gospel I preach, which is not my own but Paul’s and others, does away with these so called conflicts in scripture.  But I can’t put a roof on a wall that has no support.  This is why I push and will continue to push the foundation of The Gospel According to the Gospel until it produces fruit.  But as of yet, it has produced no fruit.

Now speaking of fruit, I have been trying to till the soil and fertilize it to see some fruit from the gospel I advocate.  Instead I have only briers and thorns.  Yes it is very frustrating and I am sure we all feel this way at times when your own passion for the truth to be realized in others is for not.  The rip, as it has been coined, is not that I am angry or teed off.  At times the churches trampling of the true foundation of the hope we share in through Christ grieves me so.  Yes, sometimes to the point of feeling undone.  I almost called the post, Knowing why Jesus was acquainted with grief, sorrow and affliction.  It is deeply saddening to realize the hostility of the church to the simplest truths found in scripture.

The Samerican church wants to be the Samerican church.  I assumed those who say they love the Lord would want to study and grow.  For the most part no they do not.  So for those who do not understand my insistence on being confrontational I want you to know I do it for several reasons.

I like another man have not gotten to the point yet, where I am done trying to persuade those of my own background.  I hope to see some fruit in it still.  So bear with me as I continue to strive in this.

I deeply feel, if I can not defend the sheep from the shepherds I have no gospel to preach.  I have spent time in prayer and study to make sure what I feel the Lord is telling me is without error and contradictions.  It needs to be the gospel.  Debating the church challenges my gospel and I, for my self first and those who hear me, need to see it stand on its own in scripture alone.  In fact I believe it needs to make the other side ridiculous in light of scripture.  In order to make powerless their gospel to show the sheep these shepherds have no sway over them.

Debating with the church has challenged me to study more and more, to dig deeper and deeper as I consider some of their theology.  So this in of itself is not harmful.  But I do need to give an account of what I believe to all men even them.  So this is some of the reasons I strive with the church and will continue to do so.

Just as Paul expressed his grief that the Jews rejected Christ, so I have expressed some grief.  Just like Paul wishes he himself were cut off as if it were possible so they would believe, a… nope that is not me, I am not there yet.  Anyway we will all move forward.

I hope this helps my readers to understand what my focus and why my focus is where it is at.  Maybe some day we can move on from here together.

My sorrow and my shame

My sorrow

I have tried to put forth a gospel in scripture the church refused to believe.  Although this gospel is in scripture, it for some reason is unseen.  This is the gospel that the book of Acts testifies to when it says in the last part of the book that Paul preached in Rome from the books of Moses and the prophets. 

From the Law of Moses this in a nutshell is Paul’s gospel from our New Testament:

God imputed to Abraham righteousness because of his faith.  His faith added nothing to this righteousness that God gave him, but through his faith he received what God alone can do for man.

God made an everlasting covenant with Abraham and his descendents and gave the seal of circumcision.  Paul testifies that this seal was a seal of righteousness that Abraham received not because he obeyed the order to circumcise but because he believed God before he was circumcised.  This is how Abraham before the Law was credited righteousness by God outside of any effort of his own.  Abraham was our example of how we are imputed righteousness not from the Law but by faith.

Paul also taught this was imputed to him because he put his belief into action making it a living faith.  Scripture tells us by putting his faith to action he left the land of his fathers and sojourned in a land not his own.  He believed God when He said that, “you are the father of many nations.”  He offered his son believing God to raise Him from the dead, for he did not doubt the promises.  Paul says Abraham hoped against all hope.

Paul still teaching from the Law of Moses instructs us that this covenant of imputed righteousness was not just for Abraham but his descendents.  This is why it was an everlasting covenant.  Paul adds to the sons of Abraham by telling gentiles we too are now included in this blessing of Abraham through Christ.  The crowd that Paul preached to was not the first to be imputed righteousness but were part of a long line of those God has been giving His gospel of imputed righteousness to.

This is why Hebrews tells us those at Mt. Sinai had the same gospel preached to them as we do today.  But how did the chosen people of God’s election treat His gospel.  Moses took it lightly and God was about to kill him on his way to Egypt until his wife circumcised their son.  God was not going to let his prophet start off on the wrong foot by making light of the seal of righteousness God gave them.

From then on His people have continued to make light of the righteousness God gave them.  They sought their own through the Law, causing Paul to say they rejected the righteousness of God because they worked for it, instead of accepting it by faith.

Others rejected the righteousness of God by ignoring what Moses commanded them and rejected all righteousness.  But a few, like David, understood what God had done and today we use his voice in scripture to talk of our own salvation.  Yet this is a man who we would say is Old Testament and couldn’t possibly have our gospel.

Now today, we have nothing on Abraham and we have all gone our own way.  Some of us who believe have gone into unrighteousness.  Others have gone the way of the Law, but some of us truly do have faith.

Because I preach this gospel that Paul preached from the Law of Moses and the prophets I am scorned, made light of, taken off others web sights and looked at as a spiritual sicko. 

Forget the implications of a people who put confidence that the grace of God has sealed them, when we see the grace of God not sealing anyone who did not approach him with living faith.  They can’t fathom God imputing to the people of Israel His righteousness, which they like us do not deserve.  Now do they understand from the Moses and the prophets they too had our gospel and our hope of salvation.  Now we too being grafted into Abraham have the same promises.

But this gospel has made me distasteful to the church, my insistence on the truth of this gospel Paul preached from the Law of Moses and the prophets, even has me at odds with those who have been the closest to me for the longest time.  Truly I am alone in this.

At times my conviction of the truth of this gospel clashes with my multiple rejections and attacks to cause me such a sorrow in my soul that I feel like I have a huge rip in the inner part of my soul.  I at times fell overwhelmed with grief, the people of God reject what Paul has preached to us in the New Testament from the Law of Moses and the Prophets, as if we have some new gospel from him.  Sometimes I feel my sorrow on this more than I can bear, and standing alone I have to cry out to the one who promised us His gospel.

My shame

At times I have proven myself all to human and reacted to those who have attacked me, attacked the gospel I preach, keeping themselves blind and all their hearers.  Instead of responding like I feel I should I have attacked back.

I think back to the man of God who called fire down two times on those who came to get him.  Is my cause any different than his?  He preached to the people of God too and they would not listen either.  They to had already found their answers. 

To my shame, I at times do not know if I am coming or going.  At times, in the pain I feel, I wished I had never started this, but the turmoil inside of me will rip me apart, I fear if, I don’t continue. 

To my shame I have not been with the Lord like I need, to be able to preach the gospel of Paul and like Paul say,

My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power.[1]

[1] I Corinthians 2:4-5

Conversation worth noting

No matter how I look at it, it looks the same, Christ died for all men.

I have been having a conversation that I think is worth noting.  It is from my irishanglican who is a friendly antagonist of mine.  We were discussing Calvinism point of view that only a select are chosen to be saved.  I will give his address to me first then my reply.  I would like to know if you think there is more evidence for my friends position or for mine and why?

This is from the blog New Creation Person

From irishanglican,

  • Dave,

God has as He said: “For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.” (Rom. 11: 32) So God does see all men as “sinful” both Jew and Gentile, but His mercy is only shown to “all” those whom He alone has chosen for Himself (note Acts 13: 48). Only those “appointed to eternal life believed.” This is what we call in theology as Sub/Post or Infralapsarian, God chooses to save an “election of grace”, after the Fall of man. For not “all” men are going to be saved! And only those are “saved” that are chosen and “elect” by God, from both Jews and Gentiles…”there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice.” (Rom. 11:5, note verse 6 also in this context & argument!)

This was my response,

  • Irishanglican,

Thank you for the reply and not a quote. It means a lot to me.

I whole heartedly agree with you that we are bound to disobedience, sinful nature if you will, so we can be shown God’s mercy. Again scripture shows us the desire of God’s heart towards us in that we can participate in His incomparable riches of His grace for His good pleasure alone.

(Eph 2:6-7 NIV) And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

So I say, amen brother.

I agree again, whole heartedly that not all men will be saved. In fact many on the narrow path will not be saved. Those who remain on the wide path are doomed already, but many on the narrow path are doomed to0. It is not good enough to be on the path, we have to enter the narrow door.

(Luke 13:24 NIV) “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.

It is the blanket of grace that we don’t see eye to eye on. Is it a blanket that covers all mankind or is it only a few that it covers? Another way to ask it, is the blanket determined only by those who cover themselves or is it what it is, no matter who does or doesn’t cover themselves with His grace?

Your first verse quoted says that God has handed us all over to disobedience so that He may show mercy. This we agree on. But is it to all or only those who, through free will or not, receive it. Your Bible and mine says that He may show mercy to all.

God has done as He said: “For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.” (Rom. 11: 32)

We know that all are bound to sin no matter who we are and were and when we lived. I think we agree this is universal to all mankind. So how are we to assume that God wanting to show mercy to the same “all” in the same sentence is anything but a universal concept?

I know you know or know somebody that knows Greek. Is the word “all” as in disobedience the same Greek word for ‘all” as in God showing us mercy? Or is the better translation from the Greek to be the word elect, chosen, remnant?

This is why I advocate what is in plain language. All means “all” which does not contradict God reconciling the world (all) to Himself.

(Col 1:19-20 NIV) For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

The scripture you used is consistent with another verse that speaks of the universality of sin through one man Adam. It also speaks of the justification to “all men” through the new Adam who is Christ. Two universalities in one concept and one sentence. Or is something hidden in the Greek?

(Rom 5:18 NIV) Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.

We have the confirmation that God justifies all men and brings life to all men again when scripture says, in plain language, that God through Christ reconciled the world to Himself, not counting men’s sins against them.

(2 Cor 5:19 NIV) that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

This is why I believe Christ is the savior of the world, that He died for the sins of the world, that He took upon Himself the sins of the entire world.

To me the question isn’t the blanket of His grace for plain language says it is for all men. What needs to be understood is God’s election.

What do you think, is there an example we have in scripture of God’s election?

(Rom 9:4-5 NIV) the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

As an honest question to you, what example do they serve to us in election, since we are grafted into them and not they into us?

Thanks for the great conversation.


So what do you think?  Did Jesus die for the sins of all men or only a few?  No matter how I look at it I see that He died for all mankind.

The challange of the two Abrahams

I have been having diologue with several Calvinist about is it faith or is it works that saves us?  James says it is not by faith alone that we are justified.

You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.[1]

But Paul says exactly the opposite.

However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.[2]

I gave the challenge to the Calvinist to reconcile the two without ignoring the other.  I hinted the answer is found in the covenant God made with Abraham.  That is unless scripture speaks of two different Abrahams.

Go to the tab The Debate Rages and select link #5 and skim down till you see the class eye, or read the whole thing.

[1] James 2:24

[2] Romans 4:5