Blinded defense

Many people believe that the events in the book of Revelation are chronological, meaning they happen one right after the other in the order they are presented in the book.  To me it seems as if people have not thought this our very well.  If we take the events of Revelation chronologically it paints a strange picture.

The sixth seal says the sun turns black, the moon to blood and the stars fall like over ripe fruit and then finally the sky is rolled up like a scroll.  Can you imagine having the order of the cosmos being undone and finally being rolled up and removed, no longer to be seen?

If all of this is done at the sixth seal, then can anyone tell me what in the heck is the fourth trumpet all about?  I thought all the cosmos was removed at the 6th seal, yet we have them back again at the fourth trumpet?  Did John forget to record the blowing of the 2nd kazoo that sounded the return of the sun moon and stars? 

If we want to assume that the stars have fallen and the cosmos is rolled up at the sixth seal, this means that the antichrists kingdom will not have the benefit of the sun, moon and stars.  But if we say these are still there then what was the sixth seal all about?

If Revelation is chronological, doesn’t Jesus jump the gun a little?  At the sixth seal it says, “the great day of their wrath has come.”  What in the world is Jesus doing having the great day of His wrath at the sixth seal, when the rest of us are still waiting for the beast to take His kingdom after the trumpets?  Maybe we have it all wrong.  Maybe the beast doesn’t face God’s great day of wrath after all.

I also get a little confused about who is persecuting the Christians if I take Revelation chronologically.  At the 6th seal we have the saints who have come out of the great tribulation.  I have to assume that it includes the ones at the 5th seal asking the Lord how long.  So if the saints have come out of the great tribulation, then who is the Beast persecuting in when he gets his kingdom between the trumpets and the bowls?  His seams to have missed his own tribulation. 

When taking Revelation chronologically I also get the feeling that Jesus has short term memory loss and presents to us a déjà vue. You know that strange funny feeling this has happened before.  We have a great earth quake and the Lord’s coming to do some great hind kicking at the sixth seal.  Yet I see Jesus doing an encore after the mystery of God is complete at the seventh trumpet.  There He has a great earthquake and He takes His power and begins to reign.  Was He joking the first time?  Was it practice?

And what is the big idea of Jesus taking His power and beginning to reign at the seventh trumpet only to give kingship of the earth back to the beast just before the bowls?  I always thought that when He began to reign He would put all of His enemies under His feet.  Not let the beast out.  In fact I always thought that when He comes and takes His authority and begins to reign He defeats the beast.  But how can He do this if the beast chronologically comes after He begins to reign?

Something doesn’t seem right in chronological land.  How is it men can defend this kind of view, by having blinders on?

Mystery of God (Part 8 Rethinking the Revelation timeline)

Before I begin to put down Biblical reasons for believers to rethink the Revelation timeline I would like to give credit to Henry at Spirit of Discernment who has been fighting the good fight in defending our gospel.  Henry has put forth great evidences that Jesus taught His disciples that he would come immediately after the tribulation.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.[1]

We can see His coming will proceed only momentarily the sounding of the trumpet call to gather His bride.  Henry has laid out plain evidence that we will not escape the tribulation.  He asserts that we will be raptured at the sixth seal.

I have been advocating we will be raptured at the sounding of the seventh and last trumpet just as scripture teaches.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[2]

Not simply do to the fact that this is the last trumpet of the seven trumpets do I say this is the timing of the rapture.  I say this do to the finished work of our unfulfilled gospel, the mystery of God, which will without delay be accomplished as this last trumpet begins to sound.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.[3]

Please read the “Mystery of God” series of short post to follow the Biblical proof of what the mystery of God is and the timing of the rapture.

Since I have proven conclusively that our rapture completes our gospel as Jesus brings us our salvation, which occurs at the seventh trumpet, is Henry wrong for calling the rapture at the sixth seal?  No he is not, after all we see the changes in the sun and moon at the sixth seal, just as Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31.  We also see the heavens shaken and nations mourn His coming because the great day of wrath has come.

I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.  The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.  Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.  They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!  For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”[4]

So if Henry is right, that the rapture happens at the sixth seal, how can I be right that the rapture happens at the seventh trumpet? 

The seventh seal begets the seven trumpets.  The seven trumpets are part of the six seals, more specifically the sixth seal.  Only the bowls or wrath stands separate from the seals.  Not only is the seven trumpets birthed out of the seals and reflects the sixth seal.  The description we have of the two witnesses and their ministry also overlaps the sixth seal and the seventh trumpet.  Each overlap reaffirms the stated events with more detail added.  But they are the same events.

Rethinking the Revelation timeline

What we have in the book of Revelation is the testimony of the seals, the trumpets and the two witnesses that we as Christians will go through the tribulation.  The “come up here’ spoken to the two witnesses overlaps the Mystery of God, which overlaps the Lambs return and the saints who were redeemed out of the tribulation.  It is like we are looking at a multi-layered transparency.  If you want you can imagine it like a 3D picture, not a 2D linier picture.


[1]Matthew 24:29-31

[2] 1 Corinthians 15:52

[3] Revelation 10:7

[4] Revelation 6:12-17

The Mystery of God (Part 7 the rapture)

Revelation 10:7 speaks of the mystery of God being finished at the sounding of the last trumpet.  We have been studying scripture and we have seen how it teaches that our gospel is a mystery and our gospel is not fulfilled.  For review let’s look at what Revelation says.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.[1]

Scripture teaches that as the seventh and last trumpet is beginning to sound the mystery of God will be finished.  We have learned that concerning our gospel we will be ruptured at the last trumpet.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[2]

So we see that the mystery of God will be accomplished as the last trumpet sounds.  We see the rapture the hope of Christians taking place at the last trumpet.  We have, not a completely fulfilled gospel being fulfilled completely at the last trumpet.

We shall finally shed this corruptible man and become like Jesus.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.[3]

We shall finally have Jesus bringing us our salvation.

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.[4]

All of this and more occurs at the last trumpet, the last trumpet in revelation.  This means our rapture takes place after all the seals and the other six trumpets.  Only the seven bowls of wrath come after our rapture.  This means that Christians are going to go through the great tribulation, but not the wrath of God.  There are a whole lot of people who are expecting to leave this here terrestrial ball before the tribulation even starts.  But if you believe in the mystery we have had passed down to us in the form of our gospel, you can no longer comfort yourselves in such escapism. 


[1] Revelation 10:7

[2] 1 Corinthians 15:52

[3] 1 Corinthians 15:49

[4] Hebrews 9:28

The Mystery of God (Part 6 The gospel the church refuses to believe)

Our gospel has not reached its fulfillment

In the last four parts of The Mystery of God series we have established with evidence upon evidence that our New Testament teaches that our gospel is the Mystery of God spoken of in Revelation chapter 10.  Revelation speaks of a moment in time in our future that without delay our gospel will be finished.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.[1]

Jesus speaking of the last days also makes a very interesting comment pertaining to the accomplishment of something.  He says that when Jerusalem is surrounded by her enemies that all things that are written may be fulfilled.

For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.[2]

We have the angel in the book of Revelation and Jesus declaring there is a time when all things written will be accomplished.  If our gospel is this mystery spoken of in Revelation and Jesus mirrors this, then what is to be fulfilled in our gospel?  After all, we are taught that our gospel was finished at the cross.

Please review my post “More than nothing left to do” to review how scripture shows that Jesus fulfilled what He was sent to do and not sent the first time to complete our gospel.

There is evidence upon evidence upon evidence that our gospel is no more finished as there is evidence that we are alive and not with Christ yet.  So lets look at only a small portion of scripture that speaks of the Mystery of God (our gospel) that is yet to be fulfilled, and will be fulfilled when the seventh angel shall begin to sound his trumpet.  Let us look at The Gospel According to the Gospel the gospel the church refuses to believe.

The writer of Hebrews (maybe Apollos) declares that Jesus came the first time to bear our sins.  He then supports what we have learned in this series, that Jesus did not complete our gospel, when he says that Jesus will not come to bear sin again, but to bring salvation.  Scripture shows this mystery of our gospel is not complete.

so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.[3]

As much of a scandal it is for the church to see a scripture that teaches we await our salvation with Christ’s return.  Paul tells the church that we are not adopted as sons yet.  Even though we go around and teach we are adopted, Paul lets us know that we will be adopted sons when our bodies are redeemed and this happens at Christ return.  For then we shall be like the man from heaven.  Don’t believe adoption is yet to be, who hopes for what he has?

Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.  For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has?  But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.[4]

To add scandal upon scandal, Peter too speaks of our salvation as coming in the last days.  He further says our inheritance is kept for us in heaven while we are waiting for the coming of our salvation.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,  and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade–kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.[5]

So we have three that testify that our gospel is not complete.  But it is not just three but Jesus who said all will be fulfilled in the last days when Jerusalem is surrounded.  The angel who said our gospel mystery will happen as the last trumpet is being sounded.  But more than this we have many upon many scriptures that teach our gospel is not complete, rather it is a hope.  Even our salvation is not ours yet, we have yet to receive it.  This is The Gospel According to the Gospel.  The gospel the church refuses to believe.

You can find proof upon proof from scripture about our unfulfilled gospel at the following places on my blog.  To see more evidence that we have a hope of salvation click Got Salvation?  To better understand this mystery called our gospel feel free to look at my statements of belief called Uncommon Belief.  These scriptures that show our gospel is not fulfilled, will complement those verses that speak of our gospel as a mystery.  Proving over and over again that our gospel is that mystery to be fulfilled at the sounding of the last trumpet.  The scriptural teaching of the mystery of God (our gospel) being fulfilled in the last days further proves the validity of the The Gospel According to the Gospel – the gospel the church refuses to believe.


[1] Revelation 10:7

[2] Luke 21:22

[3] Hebrews 9:28

[4] Romans 8:23-25

[5] 1 Peter 1:3-5

The Mystery of God (Part 5)

In this Mystery of God series we have been demonstrating that the Mystery of God spoken of in Revelation chapter 10 is the fulfillment of our gospel.  It is announced that there will be no more delay and this mystery of God will be finished and this during the sounding of the last trumpet.

But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”[1]

We have learned from our New Testament the following.

  1. This mystery was spoken to the prophets, just like our gospelRev 10:7, Act 10:43, Rom 1:1, Rom 3:21
  2. This mystery was written of by the prophets, just like our gospelRom 16:26
  3. This mystery was ordained before time began, just like our gospel1 Cor 2:7, Rom 16:25
  4. This mystery was hidden in time past, just like our gospelRom 16:25
  5. This mystery was revealed to the apostles, just like our gospelEph 3-5
  6. Paul was commissioned to preach this mystery, just like he was for our gospelCol 1:25, 1 Cor 4:1, Eph 6:20, Col 4:4
  7. Paul was persecuted for this mystery, just as he was for our gospelEph 6:19-20, Col 4:3-4
  8. This mystery was made know to the saints, just like our gospel.  Col 1:26
  9. This mystery was made know to the gentiles, just like our gospelCol 1:27
  10. This mystery involves the hardening of Israel, just like our gospelRom 11-25
  11. The revelation of this mystery was by the command of God, just like our gospelRom 16:26
  12. This mystery is revealed so that all nations may obey God, just like our gospelRom 16:26
  13. The mystery at the last trump will destroy death, just like our gospel1 Cor 15:54
  14. This mystery declares we will be changed imperishable, just like our gospel1 Cor 15:52-53
  15. This mystery will be put into effect at the end, just like our gospelEph 1:9-10
  16. This mystery will take place at the last trump, just like our gospel1 Cor 15:52, Rev 10:7
  17. The fulfillment of this mystery puts all things under Christ, just like our gospelEph 1:10, Rev 11:15

What I have listed above and in the previous post on the Mystery of God is just a starting point of study about what we have in Christ.  We have scripture testifying that the fulfillment of our gospel will be accomplished in the last days.

And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment–to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.[2]

But is there more to the mystery of our gospel than just waiting for the rapture for us believers?  Is something greater going on, that we have failed to see, in the mystery of our gospel that is yet be finished?  Our New Testament reveals to us this is so. 

Next time we will look at the mystery of God (our gospel) that the church refuses to believe, which is yet to be accomplished on that day.


[1] Revelation 10:7

[2] Eph 1:9-10

The Mystery of God (Part 4)

This is a string of short post demonstrating that the Mystery of God spoken of in Revelation 10 is the fulfillment of out gospel.  It is revealed in chapter 10 that there will be no more delay and during the days when the last trumpet is to sound the mystery of God will be fulfilled.

But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”[1]

This a the third post demonstrating from scripture that this portion in Revelation points to the day when our gospel will be accomplished.  Many think that are gospel is accomplished and this at the cross, but it isn’t.  For instance who has taken on their heavenly body and become like the man from heaven? 

I have been demonstrating that Paul clearly taught that this mystery was started before time began.  That it will be accomplished in the last days.  That it was preached by the prophets and of course it impacts us.

Below is a complete break down of Col 1:10-28 pertaining to the mystery.  Don’t forget to look at the other scripture in parts 1-3.

 #  Glorious riches of the saints (hope held out in the gospel)

a.  Inheritance

b.  Rescued

c.  Brought into His Kingdom

d.  Redemption and the forgiveness of sin

e.  The church is His body

f.  Christ first born from the dead

g.  In Christ the fullness of God dwells

h.  Through Christ to reconcile all things

i.  Made peace through His blood

j.  Reconciled to God through Christ

k.  Presented holy and blameless

  1. Paul commissioned to preach this mystery
  2. Mystery hidden in past ages
  3. Mystery know made know to the saints
  4. Made known to the gentiles
  5. Mystery summarized is Christ in us

(Col 1:10 NIV)  And we pray this in order that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and may please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God,(Col 1:11 NIV)  being strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience, and joyfully(Col 1:12 NIV)  giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the a.  inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.(Col 1:13 NIV)  b.  For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and c.  brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,(Col 1:14 NIV)  in whom d.  we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.(Col 1:15 NIV)  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.(Col 1:16 NIV)  For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.(Col 1:17 NIV)  He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.(Col 1:18 NIV)  And e.  he is the head of the body, the church; f.  he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.(Col 1:19 NIV)  g.  For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,(Col 1:20 NIV)  and h.  through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by i.  making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.(Col 1:21 NIV)  Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior.(Col 1:22 NIV)  j.  But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to k.  present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation–(Col 1:23 NIV)  if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.(Col 1:24 NIV)  Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.(Col 1:25 NIV)  1.  I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness–(Col 1:26 NIV)  2.  the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations,3.  but is now disclosed to the saints.(Col 1:27 NIV)  4.  To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of 5.  this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.(Col 1:28 NIV)  We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.[2]

Paul list all these things that has been a mystery and is now revealed, which is Christ our hope.  He says to the believer that all this will apply to us if we hold firm and are not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.  This mystery is our hope as Christians.

Next week we will look at this hope and how it impacts what we read in Revelation 10.  You will see scripture clearly teaches our gospel is not accomplished at present, but it will be when the last trumpet sounds.


[1] Revelation 10:7

[2] Colossians 1:10-28

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The Mystery of God (Part 3)

We are continuing our search through scripture that supports the idea that the mystery of God in Revelation chapter 10 is the fulfillment of our gospel.  There are four questions that we are looking at that scripture over and over again answers.  These are those questions pertaining to the mystery of God.

  1. If it is to finally be finished, when was it started?
  2. Who knows about this so called mystery of God?
  3. What is this mystery of God?
  4. Does this mystery of God impact us?

Paul lets the church in Rome know that he preaches the gospel, the proclamation of Christ, according to opening up of the mystery that has been hidden.  His proclamation of Christ is the revelation of this mystery.  This mystery was spoken of by the prophets and was written down for us at God’s command so that all nations might believe and obey God.  Again in every way Paul has demonstrated that the mystery of God is our gospel.

Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, (which was kept secret since the world began) but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him–to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.[1]

Paul elaborates on a new idea that has not been introduced yet in this study.  The mystery is the grafting in of the gentiles into the promises of Israel, though the hardening or their hearts.  To this all us gentiles say. Praise God.

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.[2]

We will see that the more we look into the mystery of God the more and more scripture describes this mystery as our gospel.  Paul teaches us the mystery reveals we will be like the man from heaven, when we will be gathered at the last trumpet.  The mystery is we will no longer be cursed by sin and death.  We understand that when the last trumpet shall sound death will be swallowed up.

And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.  I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.  Listen, I tell you a mystery:  We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed–in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.  For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.  When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true:  “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”  “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”  The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.  But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.[3]

God has made know to us the mystery of His will as it has pleased Him.  This mystery was purposed in Christ and will be put into effect at the time of the end.  The mystery of His will reveals that when it is put into effect all things will be under Christ.  By the purpose of His will we were chosen before the creation of the world for adoption.  The mystery of His will is done with all wisdom and understanding.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.  For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will–to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.  In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding.  And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment–to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.[4]

In another place scripture talks in depth of this mystery.  This mystery was revealed to Paul, explaining why he wrote of it so much.  It was also made know to the Prophets and other Apostles.  It is confirmed that this great mystery includes us gentiles sharing in the promises of Christ and heirs with Israel.  And lastly, Paul’s purposes is to make plain the administration of this mystery which has been hidden from the beginning of the world.  Note how many times Paul uses the word mystery in this portion of his letter.

Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you, that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly.  In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets.  This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.  I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.  Although I am less than the least of all God’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.[5]

We have discovered that the more we look into the mystery of God we find our gospel.  We find Christ and gentiles who share in the blessings of Israel.  We find we will be like the man from heaven and the curse of death will be broken.  All of this will be accomplished when the death is swallowed up at the last trumpet.  All of this will take place when Jesus takes His kingdom at the last trumpet.

The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever.”[6]

Again what does this mean for the debate over the pre-trib rapture?


[1] Romans 16:25-27

[2]Romans 11:25

[3] 1 Corinthians 15:49-57

[4] Ephesians 1:3-10

[5] Ephesians 3:2-9

[6] Revelation 11:15