Is God in the know about salvation?

A question has been raised on another blog that I find an interesting question.  But more interesting is the answers and dialogue put forth.  Simply because I see a question that many people ask, but their answers are so different than what I see in scripture.

So I will give my response to the question, “If God is Omniscient, Why Did He Create the World Knowing it Would Fall into Sin?”  Please go and compare answers to this question and make up your own mind which is more scriptural.

I see more than one question being asked here.

One question is, did God know that man would fall into sin before He created him?

The second question is, if he knew that man was going to sin, why did he make him anyway?

Anyhow this is how I see this conversation.

Well did God know that man would fall into sin before He created them?  We know that He did, not because of an orthodox position as the source of our confidence, rather it is because it is part of our gospel.

Our gospel does not teach that Christ died around 33 AD.  Our gospel teaches us that Christ died before the foundation of the world.

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast–all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.[1]

Paul teaches us that we had the hope of salvation promised to mankind before mankind was ever created.

Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God’s elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness–a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,[2]

Not only do we have a promise of salvation before time began, even our reward was prepared for us who believe, even before man was created

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.[3]

Even names are written in the book of life before the foundation of the world.  Names of people who do not exist.  Sounds kind of detailed for God if He is not omniscient.

The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.[4]

So it is true when scripture says:

For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “And on the seventh day God rested from all his work.”[5]

Furthermore it is true when scripture says:

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.[6]

We are all familiar with other scripture that speaks of how God changes not.  These are all testimony to our gospel.  Our gospel is not that God knew that man would sin.  Our gospel is that God provided for a sinful man before he was even created, so that sinful man would have a hope of salvation.

This ties directly into the other question.  Why would God create man knowing He was going to sin?

God has done something for sinful man before sinful man was ever created.  As Paul says this act of God’s love towards us is a promise of salvation before the world began.  Paul tells us that God created us that we would do more than seek him, but reach out to Him and find Him.

From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.  God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.[7]

But this not the end game to the question why?   Rather it is the means to the reason why.

By God providing for us before the foundation of the world and His planting us here on the earth to reach out to Him and find Him.  It achieves the purpose of why God created man knowing that he would fall into sin.

And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.[8]

God started all this because it pleases Him to show the incomparable riches of His grace and kindness to us in Christ who are a fallen creature.  Bottom line, this is why scripture says Christ endured the cross because of the joy set before Him, because He desires to demonstrate His grace and love to us.

Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.[9]

To me the question isn’t a tricky one to answer, for God’s word is clear about His understanding, His work, His provision, His motivation and why we should worship such a loving God.

I personally do not agree that God’s whole purpose of creation was to manifest His glory.  I see it rather as a manifestation of His love expressed in His grace.  Just because His glory is manifest in His creation, doesn’t mean it was the purpose.  To me it is like saying the purpose of the race car is to magnify those companies who sponsor the car.  The purpose is not is what we easily see, but what is revealed in the mystery of our gospel.  This being God expressing His love to a sinful mankind through His grace.

Scripture does not say, for God so purposed His glory to be displayed that He sent His son, as it appears you have said.  Maybe I misunderstood.  But I see God sending His Son in the greatest expression of His love towards us in His grace

Am I out in left field on this one Carl?  Well WoundedEgo, am I?  As one who does not know everything and does not have the education you have, it seems as if you two are arguing all around the topic but not discussing the topic.


[1] Revelation 13:8

[2] Titus 1:1-2

[3] Matthew 25:34

[4] Revelation 17:8

[5] Hebrews 4:4

[6] Hebrews 13:8

[7] Acts 17:26-27

[8] Ephesians 2:6-7

[9] Hebrews 12:2

I do believe, I do believe, I do believe, I do believe!

In order to better state the purpose of The Gospel According to the Gospel I have added a statement of belief page called Uncommon Belief.  It is my hope and purpose to help people see the gospel of scripture as taught in our New Testament scriptures.

My Book The Gospel According to the Gospel and my postings are dedicated to proving what I have written below.  So every time you read one of my postings you will see evidence of one or more of these statements of belief.

  1. The New Testament teaches, believers in Jesus Christ are not saved and have a hope of salvation.
  2. The New Testament teaches, faith is hoping for what we do not yet have.
  3. The New Testament teaches, into this hope we were saved.
  4. The New Testament teaches, no one hopes for what he has.
  5. The New Testament teaches, believers will be given their salvation when Christ returns.
  6. The New Testament teaches, believers need to remain in Christ in order to be saved at His coming.
  7. The New Testament teaches, believers waiting for their salvation can turn away from the faith that would have saved them.
  8. The New Testament teaches, God speaks things that are not as if they were in our gospel when it says we have been saved.
  9. The New Testament teaches, our gospel wasn’t first preached in the book of Matthew.
  10. The New Testament teaches, that our gospel we put our hope in for salvation was first preached at Mt. Sinai.
  11. The New Testament teaches, believers are credited righteousness.
  12. The New Testament teaches, believers will be given righteousness when Christ returns.
  13. The New Testament teaches, that our credited righteousness is nothing more than what God credited Abraham.
  14. The New Testament teaches, that it wasn’t through the cross that God introduced credited righteousness since this was done through Abraham.
  15. The New Testament teaches, that through Christ we share in the credited righteousness that God gave Abraham.
  16. The New Testament teaches, that the credited righteousness that was given to Abraham was for him and his descendants. 
  17. The New Testament teaches, we become Abraham’s descendants when we put our hope in Christ.
  18. The New Testament teaches the sign of credited righteousness in the Old Covenant is circumcision.
  19. The New Testament teaches the sign of the credited righteousness in the New Covenant is the deposit of the Holy Spirit.
  20. The New Testament teaches, we are eternally secure when Christ returns to give us our salvation.
  21. The New Testament teaches, that we did not go to plan “B” when Adam sinned.  We have been on plan “A” and forever will be on plan “A”.
  22. The New Testament teaches, there is a faith found in the Law.
  23. The New Testament teaches, those who put their hope in the faith found in the Law were credited the righteousness that God gave Abraham.
  24. The New Testament teaches, those who put their hope in the Law of the faith, reject God’s righteousness that comes by faith.