1 Peter chapter one and the three tenses of salvation

I find 1 Peter chapter one a very interesting chapter.  It speaks of God’s foreknowledge, His election of the saints and our salvation.  But is Peter’s account of these three things in compliance with church doctrine? 

Peter calls the believers he was writing to as the elect and in doing this he adds according to the foreknowledge of God. 

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.[1]

There is an understanding in large portion of the church that this election that was done by the foreknowledge of God puts the believer in a state of eternal security.  That once converted there really is no more hope of salvation.  Instead what is taught is believers have gone from a state of been saved (elected by God’s foreknowledge) to a state of being saved (being born again).  According to this teaching the believer only needs to be saved at His coming.  This is called the three tenses of salvation.  Are saved, being saved and will be saved.

I have written about this before in my post Three red flags on the three tenses of salvation.  Now I would like to consider the three tenses of salvation from 1 Peter where we see Peter affirming election by God’s foreknowledge.

Right after his pronunciation of our election by God’s foreknowledge we see in the very next three verses exactly what we have been elected to by God’s foreknowledge. 

Peter taught we have been born again (begotten) by the mercy of God into a hope of a very real and living nature.  And because of this living hope Peter appropriately gives praise to God who is the Father of Jesus.  He did not praise Him because he had received anything.  Instead he praises Him because he knows and lives according to this hope.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,[2]

There is for us believers who have this hope, an inheritance kept for us in heaven which is sure and reliable.  Our hope in our election is not on some changing event or uncertain ability of God to deliver to us who hope.  Rather it is sure in the one who has made the promise.

To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,[3]

Peter after telling the believers in his letter of the hope they have kept for them in heaven through the resurrection of Christ from the dead, doesn’t let his readers know they are saved.  Instead he says they are kept by the power of God though their faith unto salvation. 

Scripture screams of this hope and this faith in what we do not possess, yet hope for.  Instead we believers what to preach salvation as an event that comes at the point of conversion, not the hope that it is.  We take Peter’s statements about election and God’s foreknowledge and twist it to mean something that is not taught by Peter or any other writers of either Testaments.

Peter clearly teaches that as believers we have the power of God that keeps us in the promises of God through our faith.  By a faith that is as lively as our hope is, we wait for our salvation to be revealed to us at His appearing.

Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.[4]

At His coming those who have been elected through the foreknowledge of God and remained in the faith of Christ will receive their salvation.  The promise will be fulfilled.  We will no longer hope for what we do not have, as Paul says.  We will no longer have to have a faith that hopes for what is not seen, as the writer of Hebrews says, for we will see Him on that day.  Our God who calls things that are not as if they were will no longer speak so concerning our salvation since our hope will be revealed and realized through Christ’s appearing. 

Because of this hope we can go through the trials of the next three verses because we know as we continue in our faith we are closer to our end of hope, even our salvation.  Peter says by living our faith in trails we can look forward to His praise and His glory and His honor.  Those of us who are elected and living for God, are living out in our lives the evidence of things not seen.  This is why Peter can so confidently say we are receiving not the beginning but the end of our faith, the very salvation of our souls.

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.[5]

This salvation, this hope this election by the foreknowledge of God was spoken of by the prophets.  As I said already, no writer of either Testaments teaches what is taught in the doctrine of the three tenses of salvation.  You won’t find this teaching in the Law of Moses or the Prophets and it is not taught in the New Testament. 

Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:[6]

Peter lets his readers know they are to live a sober in their lives and thinking as they hope to the end for the grace to be given unto them when Jesus comes as our King of Kings.  Since our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed as someone has once said and Peter speaks of this salvation as coming at the end of our faith.  Let us not do disservice his message and say we are waiting for the third tier of our salvation.  We are waiting for the one hope of grace unto salvation to be given to us when Christ returns.

Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;[7]

What we do see in scripture is a hope in what is not seen.  Again, read my post The three red flags on the three tenses of salvation.

What does this mean for the believer?

Since scripture doesn’t teach there are three tenses of salvation and instead there is only one hope of salvation coming to us at Christ’s return, what does this mean for believers? 

What does it mean for believers that we were not saved simply because God knows and foreknows everything?  What does it mean that His foreknowledge of us receiving Christ as our savior is not the first tense of the three tenses of salvation?  Peter talked about election and God’s foreknowledge and still yet Peter talks about only one salvation, a future salvation coming to us who believe.  What does this mean if we bought into the three tenses of salvation?

What does it mean for believers who never heard of the three tenses of salvation but do believe they were saved at conversion?  What happens to the believer that realizes that scripture is not teaching the race was one at conversion, but rather at Christ’s return?  What happens to a believer’s confidence in what they been told by the church, when the Holy Spirit reveals to them the true teaching of our gospel?

What they should do is praise God!  They should rejoice that God so loves them that He does not leave them in their stupor of anti-gospel.  A gospel that tells them they are saved at conversion and no longer need to hope in what they do not see.  A gospel that teaches them they don’t have to remain steadfast to the end in order to make their hope sure.

And we desire that every one of you do show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:[1]

It is for no reason that the writer of Hebrews warns believers in Christ Jesus about falling away from the faith into which they were born again.  Don’t listen to the Calvinist who say the word “if” in Hebrews means “since it is impossible”.  If the word “if” means “since it is impossible” why can’t we find one translation that interpreted it that way?  Ask the Holy Spirit who to listen to, the Calvinist or the Word of God?

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.[2]

If this Word of God is witnessed to you by the Holy Spirit, rejoice in the God who loves you and is still speaking to you through His Word.  We get to be like Abraham who did not hope in something he possessed, rather his hope was in the promises of God that he did not see.

For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.  And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.[3]

We too need to patiently endure to the end to see the promises of God given to us in our hope of salvation.  It is not those who have what was promised who have faith like Abraham.  It is those who hope in what was promised and endure patiently for this promise who have faith like Abraham.

And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.[4]

If the light of the true Gospel According to the Gospel, not according to men, has shined its light on your hearts, then obey this gospel.  Know, live and run the race to the end.  Knowing that you have a hope of salvation, do not fall away from the gospel that could have saved you.  Do not shipwreck your faith.  And for Pete’s sake don’t let the gospel according to men cause you to shipwreck others faith by telling them salvation comes at the altar of conversion. 

Don’t put their mind at ease with the anti-gospel when it needs to be at its sharpest.  Let those who hear of your hope in Christ, love God with all their mind, heart and strength.  Give them what they need to live a life worthy of their calling unto salvation to the end. 

The anti-gospel of men is there to bring about death by causing men to assume they have salvation when they do not.  It is there to cause men to not live out their hope to the end, so they will with hardened hearts treat the gospel as finished instead of being manifested in their lives until their race is done.

Reject the gospel of men and embrace the gospel as God has given it to us in His word.  Let me know if the Holy Spirit bears witness with your spirit concerning our one true gospel of hope found in scripture.


[1] Hebrews 6:11

[2] Hebrews 6:4-6

[3] Hebrews 6:13-15

[4] Romans 4:12


[1] 1 Peter 1:2

[2] 1 Peter 1:3

[3] 1 Peter 1:4

[4] 1 Peter 1:5

[5] 1 Peter 1:9

[6] 1 Peter 1:10

[7] 1 Peter 1:13

Israel, Iran, War, Damascus and US

Well we made it through the weekend and there is no war in the Middle East to drag the rest of the nations into.  Many political leaders said the time for Israel to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities was before the fuel rods were put in the reactor.  This event happened this weekend and Iran has an active nuclear reactor producing plutonium.

The Obama administration is comforting Israel that it will be a year before Iran can place a gun to their heads in the form of a nuclear bomb.  It is the hope of the Obama administration they can force a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians within the year it takes Iran to build a bomb.  They think doing so will change the politics of annihilation coming from Israel’s neighbors into some kind of hippie love fest style of acceptance of the Jewish nation from those who seek her destruction.

There are those out there that advocate that Damascus has a date with destiny.  In Isaiah there is a prophecy concerning one of the longest continually inhabited cities becoming a heap of ruble. 

An oracle concerning Damascus: “See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins.[1]

It is speculated that a war between Israel and Iran would drag Israel’s other enemies into this conflict.  Syria is known to have weapons of mass destruction in its arsenal.  Many ponder if this will be the time when Damascus becomes a heap of rubble.  Israel has told its neighbors that any use of a weapon of mass destruction would result in them retaliating with nukes.  All it would take is one chemical weapon being launched on Israel by any one of her enemies and most likely Damascus will be seen as the ultimate source of Israel’s grief. 

But I have to ponder, what will be worse, the fate of Damascus or our United States who has forced Israel into such a compromised position she finds herself in today.  To make the fate of our nation more treacherous, this administration wants to hold Israel in a state of constant duress as Iran gets closer to its goal day by day.

In the end Damascus may become a heap of rubble in our time, but what will happen to us whose government has, for what ever purpose, let Israel’s enemies set the day for her execution much like Haman from the book of Ester.

We are not simply watching the possible events that lead to war.  We are watching spiritual warfare unfold as it unfolded before concerning the demise of those whom God calls His people.

We are on the precipice of not only something shaking the Middle East, the entire world is teetering over the edge just waiting for that one event to change everything in our political, financial and spiritual conditions.  Something has to trigger our elusive New World Order into a full fledged in your face oppression.  Something has to give rise to our acceptance of the man of sin.  We may be watching this trigger come to pass even here and now.

I understand the United States is not exempt from the same destruction that faces Damascus.  We have turned our backs on Israel and are holding the cup of trembling.  We are candidate number one who will be cut to pieces because of this burden.  I do not know whose destruction will come first.  If us, we may go out glowing too.

As for me I have made a declaration of what I will do when the day comes I hear Damascus has become a heap of rubble.  I don’t care if I am in the middle of a grocery isle, I am going to fall down on my knees and worship God out loud because His ancient word is being fulfilled in our day.  For we are living in those days.


[1] Isaiah 17:1

Disarming Calvinism (part five)

I have stated that Calvinism teaches that God is ultimately committed to His chosen people, the children of the promise, which gives support to the doctrine of irresistible grace and once saved always saved.  This commitment and support for His people is nonnegotiable with God and that God will not violate this.

I will demonstrate from the New Testament that God is not dedicated to His people as taught by the Calvinist.  That He is dedicated to something that is greater than His people.  Although this following statement is very explosive and nuclear in proportion to the other topics in this series, I will demonstrate that His commitment to His people is conditional and will disarm the notion birthed in Calvinism, that God is unconditionally committed to His people. 

If you have not followed these series of post on Disarming Calvinism, I would recommend you go back and read them in order for the Biblical support of what I will only summarize here. 

We have learned that our New Testament teaches that Abraham has received a seal of the righteousness that God gave him, a mark in his flesh.  Circumcision is this seal of imputed righteousness that was given to Abraham and all his descendants.  Our New Testament teaches that we gentiles, now through Christ, get to share in the imputed righteousness that was given to Abraham by becoming his spiritual offspring,

Even though they were elected as a people through Abrahams calling and even though they were in a covenant of imputed righteousness many never entered their rest.  As scripture says not all who are Jews are Jews.

A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.  No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.[1]

Knowing through our past study of scripture that God has imputed the whole nation of Israel His righteousness through His covenant, to what does God obligate Himself?  Does He obligate Himself to His chosen people under the covenant of imputed righteousness or does He obligate Himself to something even more important?  It is not His chosen people that He has obligated Himself to, it is His WORD.

In Calvinism they like to teach that God is obligated to His people over and above all other things.  They even go as far as to teach that we can be faithless, which goes against all other teachings in scripture but God will be faithful to us because He can not disown Himself.  Teaching we belong to Him and even is a reprobate state, even in a lukewarm condition He can not disown us.  They have read but not understood what is written.

Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us; if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.[2]

The people of the covenant of righteousness who walked away from the imputed righteousness came to understand what is meant by God remaining faithful to Himself.  They learned He will not disown Himself, He will not disown the Living Word.  He will do exactly as He said He would when we do not live out our lives in faith and obedience.

“‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will deal with you as you deserve, because you have despised my oath by breaking the covenant.[3]

Was it not the Lord who gave Moses the blessings and the curses?  Was it not the people of God’s election choice to do good or to do harm?  Wasn’t it the people of the covenant of imputed righteousness that had a choice before them that day?  And did not God tell them He will do to them as His word says, whether for good or for harm?  Well He did harm to them as they deserved.  It wasn’t His people who were imputed His righteousness that He was ultimately committed to, it is His WORD.  He did exactly as He said He would.

When God in His word says He will disown us if we disown Him, we cast that aside and pervert His intent to do as His word says.  Even the very words we just cast aside.  It is true the Lord has spoken to us in these in the past though His prophets and now through His Son.  Jesus’ teaching is full of warnings to believers to not be disobedient, faithless, lazy, backslidden, overtaken by this world, yet the Calvinist say God will not disown me.  Sorry Calvinist, as God declares in His WORD He will do as He has declared. 

One day not only the Calvinist whose rest is solely on in eternal security, but the disobedient, wicked, lazy, unrighteous servants of other denominations and theologies will be overtaken by the words of God that He has spoken to us, just it did the covenant people of His election.

But did not my words and my decrees, which I commanded my servants the prophets, overtake your forefathers? “Then they repented and said, ‘The LORD Almighty has done to us what our ways and practices deserve, just as he determined to do.'”[4]


[1] Romans 2:28-29

[2] 2 Timothy 2:11-13

[3] Ezekiel 16:59

[4] Zechariah 1:6

Blinded defense

Many people believe that the events in the book of Revelation are chronological, meaning they happen one right after the other in the order they are presented in the book.  To me it seems as if people have not thought this our very well.  If we take the events of Revelation chronologically it paints a strange picture.

The sixth seal says the sun turns black, the moon to blood and the stars fall like over ripe fruit and then finally the sky is rolled up like a scroll.  Can you imagine having the order of the cosmos being undone and finally being rolled up and removed, no longer to be seen?

If all of this is done at the sixth seal, then can anyone tell me what in the heck is the fourth trumpet all about?  I thought all the cosmos was removed at the 6th seal, yet we have them back again at the fourth trumpet?  Did John forget to record the blowing of the 2nd kazoo that sounded the return of the sun moon and stars? 

If we want to assume that the stars have fallen and the cosmos is rolled up at the sixth seal, this means that the antichrists kingdom will not have the benefit of the sun, moon and stars.  But if we say these are still there then what was the sixth seal all about?

If Revelation is chronological, doesn’t Jesus jump the gun a little?  At the sixth seal it says, “the great day of their wrath has come.”  What in the world is Jesus doing having the great day of His wrath at the sixth seal, when the rest of us are still waiting for the beast to take His kingdom after the trumpets?  Maybe we have it all wrong.  Maybe the beast doesn’t face God’s great day of wrath after all.

I also get a little confused about who is persecuting the Christians if I take Revelation chronologically.  At the 6th seal we have the saints who have come out of the great tribulation.  I have to assume that it includes the ones at the 5th seal asking the Lord how long.  So if the saints have come out of the great tribulation, then who is the Beast persecuting in when he gets his kingdom between the trumpets and the bowls?  His seams to have missed his own tribulation. 

When taking Revelation chronologically I also get the feeling that Jesus has short term memory loss and presents to us a déjà vue. You know that strange funny feeling this has happened before.  We have a great earth quake and the Lord’s coming to do some great hind kicking at the sixth seal.  Yet I see Jesus doing an encore after the mystery of God is complete at the seventh trumpet.  There He has a great earthquake and He takes His power and begins to reign.  Was He joking the first time?  Was it practice?

And what is the big idea of Jesus taking His power and beginning to reign at the seventh trumpet only to give kingship of the earth back to the beast just before the bowls?  I always thought that when He began to reign He would put all of His enemies under His feet.  Not let the beast out.  In fact I always thought that when He comes and takes His authority and begins to reign He defeats the beast.  But how can He do this if the beast chronologically comes after He begins to reign?

Something doesn’t seem right in chronological land.  How is it men can defend this kind of view, by having blinders on?

Scriptural challenge

Many people think I am off my rocker for insisting that the local church is not functioning as it should.  Another way to say it is the local church is not biblical.  My concern is more that a perception.  I write this to challenge people to actually compare what they practice with the instructions of scripture concerning our gatherings.

Who is it that Paul taught should speak in church?  Did he teach the one who gives the announcements?  Well of course the pastor, right?

I asked people before, and even a pastor who is like a father to me, who put the pastor in charge?  We have Apostles, Prophets, Evangelist, Teachers and Pastors, so who says the pastor is in charge of the local church?  Why is the pastor the one who tells the prophets, evangelist, teachers and apostles when to speak and if their word is applicable?

Where in scripture do we see the instructions from the Holy Spirit that the pastor is over the other offices and has authority to release or hinder those offices in the local service?  Where in scripture do we have the instructions from the Holy Spirit the pastor is the one who teaches the congregation, does the “vision casting” is the main one who sets all agendas?  I can find no such scripture. 

So who is it that the Holy Spirit has instructed us in scripture to speak at the local assembly?  We know from Paul’s writings that one who has the gift of tongues is eligible to speak in church.  And this can be done by two or three individuals at one local gathering.  Then scripture teaches that someone must interpret, either the one who spoke or a different interpreter.

So now we have two kinds of people who can speak in the local assembly.  The first is one who speaks in tongues, provided there is an interpreter.  The second kind is the interpreter if the one who speaks in tongues is not the one to interpret, depending on the Spirits leading.  So far so good.  We can see how all the local bodies are in line with scripture here, because we allow this in our meetings, but let’s keep going. 

If anyone speaks in a tongue, two–or at the most three–should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.  If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.[1]

Paul has given us further instructions that prophets should speak, and again only two or three per local assembly.  Oh and if someone has a special revelation, maybe a word of knowledge, then they too are someone who can speak to the congregation.

Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said.  And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop.[2]

Let’s see, we have several people that Paul instructs us to have speak at the Sunday service.  We have those who speak in tongues, those who interpret tongues, those who prophecy and those who have a special revelation.  That is four different types of people giving different types of instruction, exhortation, correction or possibly rebuking.  Imagine all of this without the use of the word “Pastor”.  Oh my goodness, the office of the Pastor is not even mentioned in the local assembly.  In fact no office is mentioned at all.  Could it be because Christ is our head and not the office of a man in the church?

This doesn’t mean the man who wants to be a shepherd doesn’t get to speak during the Sunday service.  No indeed, for he too can speak if he speaks in tongues, interprets, prophecies or has a special revelation.

For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged.[3]

We are instructed by the Holy Spirit to seek the greater gift if we really want to make an impact on peoples lives on Sunday morning meetings.  It is further revealed that Paul desired everyone to speak in tongues or prophecy making every individual eligible to give a word at the local assembly.

Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy.  But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort.  I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.[4]

The instruction we have from the Holy Spirit to edify the church by strengthening it, encouraging it and comforting it is by allowing those who speak in tongues, interpret, prophesy or have a word of revelation, to be those who instruct on Sunday mornings.

In fact the best way to win the world is to do just exactly that.

But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”[5]

How about that for a Sunday church service!

So my challenge to those who swear by what we have at the local church, please find me the scripture to support what you do.  You know and I know there is none.  The reality is we have forsaken what scripture says for our own way.  We do this while we worship Him.  How ironic, isn’t it.  We have decided to follow the teachings of men on this matter.  How the Lord must be pleased.

“‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.  They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”[6]


[1] 1 Corinthians 14:27-28

[2] 1 Corinthians 14:29-30

[3] 1 Corinthians 14:31

[4] 1 Corinthians 14:1,3,5

[5] 1 Corinthians 14:24-25

[6] Matthew 15:8-9

Mystery of God (Part 8 Rethinking the Revelation timeline)

Before I begin to put down Biblical reasons for believers to rethink the Revelation timeline I would like to give credit to Henry at Spirit of Discernment who has been fighting the good fight in defending our gospel.  Henry has put forth great evidences that Jesus taught His disciples that he would come immediately after the tribulation.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.[1]

We can see His coming will proceed only momentarily the sounding of the trumpet call to gather His bride.  Henry has laid out plain evidence that we will not escape the tribulation.  He asserts that we will be raptured at the sixth seal.

I have been advocating we will be raptured at the sounding of the seventh and last trumpet just as scripture teaches.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[2]

Not simply do to the fact that this is the last trumpet of the seven trumpets do I say this is the timing of the rapture.  I say this do to the finished work of our unfulfilled gospel, the mystery of God, which will without delay be accomplished as this last trumpet begins to sound.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.[3]

Please read the “Mystery of God” series of short post to follow the Biblical proof of what the mystery of God is and the timing of the rapture.

Since I have proven conclusively that our rapture completes our gospel as Jesus brings us our salvation, which occurs at the seventh trumpet, is Henry wrong for calling the rapture at the sixth seal?  No he is not, after all we see the changes in the sun and moon at the sixth seal, just as Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31.  We also see the heavens shaken and nations mourn His coming because the great day of wrath has come.

I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.  The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.  Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.  They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!  For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”[4]

So if Henry is right, that the rapture happens at the sixth seal, how can I be right that the rapture happens at the seventh trumpet? 

The seventh seal begets the seven trumpets.  The seven trumpets are part of the six seals, more specifically the sixth seal.  Only the bowls or wrath stands separate from the seals.  Not only is the seven trumpets birthed out of the seals and reflects the sixth seal.  The description we have of the two witnesses and their ministry also overlaps the sixth seal and the seventh trumpet.  Each overlap reaffirms the stated events with more detail added.  But they are the same events.

Rethinking the Revelation timeline

What we have in the book of Revelation is the testimony of the seals, the trumpets and the two witnesses that we as Christians will go through the tribulation.  The “come up here’ spoken to the two witnesses overlaps the Mystery of God, which overlaps the Lambs return and the saints who were redeemed out of the tribulation.  It is like we are looking at a multi-layered transparency.  If you want you can imagine it like a 3D picture, not a 2D linier picture.


[1]Matthew 24:29-31

[2] 1 Corinthians 15:52

[3] Revelation 10:7

[4] Revelation 6:12-17

The Mystery of God (Part 7 the rapture)

Revelation 10:7 speaks of the mystery of God being finished at the sounding of the last trumpet.  We have been studying scripture and we have seen how it teaches that our gospel is a mystery and our gospel is not fulfilled.  For review let’s look at what Revelation says.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.[1]

Scripture teaches that as the seventh and last trumpet is beginning to sound the mystery of God will be finished.  We have learned that concerning our gospel we will be ruptured at the last trumpet.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[2]

So we see that the mystery of God will be accomplished as the last trumpet sounds.  We see the rapture the hope of Christians taking place at the last trumpet.  We have, not a completely fulfilled gospel being fulfilled completely at the last trumpet.

We shall finally shed this corruptible man and become like Jesus.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.[3]

We shall finally have Jesus bringing us our salvation.

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.[4]

All of this and more occurs at the last trumpet, the last trumpet in revelation.  This means our rapture takes place after all the seals and the other six trumpets.  Only the seven bowls of wrath come after our rapture.  This means that Christians are going to go through the great tribulation, but not the wrath of God.  There are a whole lot of people who are expecting to leave this here terrestrial ball before the tribulation even starts.  But if you believe in the mystery we have had passed down to us in the form of our gospel, you can no longer comfort yourselves in such escapism. 


[1] Revelation 10:7

[2] 1 Corinthians 15:52

[3] 1 Corinthians 15:49

[4] Hebrews 9:28