Blinded defense

Many people believe that the events in the book of Revelation are chronological, meaning they happen one right after the other in the order they are presented in the book.  To me it seems as if people have not thought this our very well.  If we take the events of Revelation chronologically it paints a strange picture.

The sixth seal says the sun turns black, the moon to blood and the stars fall like over ripe fruit and then finally the sky is rolled up like a scroll.  Can you imagine having the order of the cosmos being undone and finally being rolled up and removed, no longer to be seen?

If all of this is done at the sixth seal, then can anyone tell me what in the heck is the fourth trumpet all about?  I thought all the cosmos was removed at the 6th seal, yet we have them back again at the fourth trumpet?  Did John forget to record the blowing of the 2nd kazoo that sounded the return of the sun moon and stars? 

If we want to assume that the stars have fallen and the cosmos is rolled up at the sixth seal, this means that the antichrists kingdom will not have the benefit of the sun, moon and stars.  But if we say these are still there then what was the sixth seal all about?

If Revelation is chronological, doesn’t Jesus jump the gun a little?  At the sixth seal it says, “the great day of their wrath has come.”  What in the world is Jesus doing having the great day of His wrath at the sixth seal, when the rest of us are still waiting for the beast to take His kingdom after the trumpets?  Maybe we have it all wrong.  Maybe the beast doesn’t face God’s great day of wrath after all.

I also get a little confused about who is persecuting the Christians if I take Revelation chronologically.  At the 6th seal we have the saints who have come out of the great tribulation.  I have to assume that it includes the ones at the 5th seal asking the Lord how long.  So if the saints have come out of the great tribulation, then who is the Beast persecuting in when he gets his kingdom between the trumpets and the bowls?  His seams to have missed his own tribulation. 

When taking Revelation chronologically I also get the feeling that Jesus has short term memory loss and presents to us a déjà vue. You know that strange funny feeling this has happened before.  We have a great earth quake and the Lord’s coming to do some great hind kicking at the sixth seal.  Yet I see Jesus doing an encore after the mystery of God is complete at the seventh trumpet.  There He has a great earthquake and He takes His power and begins to reign.  Was He joking the first time?  Was it practice?

And what is the big idea of Jesus taking His power and beginning to reign at the seventh trumpet only to give kingship of the earth back to the beast just before the bowls?  I always thought that when He began to reign He would put all of His enemies under His feet.  Not let the beast out.  In fact I always thought that when He comes and takes His authority and begins to reign He defeats the beast.  But how can He do this if the beast chronologically comes after He begins to reign?

Something doesn’t seem right in chronological land.  How is it men can defend this kind of view, by having blinders on?

Mystery of God (Part 8 Rethinking the Revelation timeline)

Before I begin to put down Biblical reasons for believers to rethink the Revelation timeline I would like to give credit to Henry at Spirit of Discernment who has been fighting the good fight in defending our gospel.  Henry has put forth great evidences that Jesus taught His disciples that he would come immediately after the tribulation.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.[1]

We can see His coming will proceed only momentarily the sounding of the trumpet call to gather His bride.  Henry has laid out plain evidence that we will not escape the tribulation.  He asserts that we will be raptured at the sixth seal.

I have been advocating we will be raptured at the sounding of the seventh and last trumpet just as scripture teaches.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[2]

Not simply do to the fact that this is the last trumpet of the seven trumpets do I say this is the timing of the rapture.  I say this do to the finished work of our unfulfilled gospel, the mystery of God, which will without delay be accomplished as this last trumpet begins to sound.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.[3]

Please read the “Mystery of God” series of short post to follow the Biblical proof of what the mystery of God is and the timing of the rapture.

Since I have proven conclusively that our rapture completes our gospel as Jesus brings us our salvation, which occurs at the seventh trumpet, is Henry wrong for calling the rapture at the sixth seal?  No he is not, after all we see the changes in the sun and moon at the sixth seal, just as Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31.  We also see the heavens shaken and nations mourn His coming because the great day of wrath has come.

I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.  The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.  Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.  They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!  For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”[4]

So if Henry is right, that the rapture happens at the sixth seal, how can I be right that the rapture happens at the seventh trumpet? 

The seventh seal begets the seven trumpets.  The seven trumpets are part of the six seals, more specifically the sixth seal.  Only the bowls or wrath stands separate from the seals.  Not only is the seven trumpets birthed out of the seals and reflects the sixth seal.  The description we have of the two witnesses and their ministry also overlaps the sixth seal and the seventh trumpet.  Each overlap reaffirms the stated events with more detail added.  But they are the same events.

Rethinking the Revelation timeline

What we have in the book of Revelation is the testimony of the seals, the trumpets and the two witnesses that we as Christians will go through the tribulation.  The “come up here’ spoken to the two witnesses overlaps the Mystery of God, which overlaps the Lambs return and the saints who were redeemed out of the tribulation.  It is like we are looking at a multi-layered transparency.  If you want you can imagine it like a 3D picture, not a 2D linier picture.


[1]Matthew 24:29-31

[2] 1 Corinthians 15:52

[3] Revelation 10:7

[4] Revelation 6:12-17

The Mystery of God (Part 7 the rapture)

Revelation 10:7 speaks of the mystery of God being finished at the sounding of the last trumpet.  We have been studying scripture and we have seen how it teaches that our gospel is a mystery and our gospel is not fulfilled.  For review let’s look at what Revelation says.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.[1]

Scripture teaches that as the seventh and last trumpet is beginning to sound the mystery of God will be finished.  We have learned that concerning our gospel we will be ruptured at the last trumpet.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[2]

So we see that the mystery of God will be accomplished as the last trumpet sounds.  We see the rapture the hope of Christians taking place at the last trumpet.  We have, not a completely fulfilled gospel being fulfilled completely at the last trumpet.

We shall finally shed this corruptible man and become like Jesus.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.[3]

We shall finally have Jesus bringing us our salvation.

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.[4]

All of this and more occurs at the last trumpet, the last trumpet in revelation.  This means our rapture takes place after all the seals and the other six trumpets.  Only the seven bowls of wrath come after our rapture.  This means that Christians are going to go through the great tribulation, but not the wrath of God.  There are a whole lot of people who are expecting to leave this here terrestrial ball before the tribulation even starts.  But if you believe in the mystery we have had passed down to us in the form of our gospel, you can no longer comfort yourselves in such escapism. 


[1] Revelation 10:7

[2] 1 Corinthians 15:52

[3] 1 Corinthians 15:49

[4] Hebrews 9:28